September 5, 200818 yr I didn't say that it was appropriate. I did say that CNN reported the rumor as being unfounded, which is accurate. We do want accuracy from our media sources, don't we? I don't like everything the media does, either. But if their tactics turn off enough viewers and attract enough criticism and scrutiny, they will make the appropriate changes. CNN has been bleeding viewers ever since Fox News hit the air waves. I am not holding my breath that the left wingers calling the shots at either MSNBC or CNN are going to respond to the market for responsible reporting. However, CNN does do some good work part of the time. MSNBC is an embarrassment, as Ed Rendell said.
September 5, 200818 yr Author MSNBC is an embarrassment, as Ed Rendell said. Well, at least you quoted an unbiased source.:sleep:
September 5, 200818 yr Well, at least you quoted an unbiased source.:sleep::confused: Do you mean that a Democratic governor's claim that MSNBC is in the tank for Obama is not a credible? Why not? Do you disagree?
September 5, 200818 yr Author :confused: Do you mean that a Democratic governor's claim that MSNBC is in the tank for Obama is not a credible? Why not? Do you disagree? Realizing that Ed Rendell was perhaps the most visible and vocal supporter of Hillary's bid for the White House should cause one to take a look at his quotes with a questioning eye.
September 5, 200818 yr CNN has been bleeding viewers ever since Fox News hit the air waves. I am not holding my breath that the left wingers calling the shots at either MSNBC or CNN are going to respond to the market for responsible reporting. However, CNN does do some good work part of the time. MSNBC is an embarrassment, as Ed Rendell said. Labor Day viewership Monday prime-time turned out to be substantially coverage of Hurricane Gustav instead of the first night of the Republican National Convention. Regardless, Fox News was tops across the board in all the total day and prime-time aggregate and age demo categories. P2+ Total Day FNC – 2,309,000 viewers CNN – 1,829,000 viewers MSNBC – 670,000 viewers CNBC – 170,000 viewers HLN – 462,000 viewers August 28 -- Final Day of the DNC The final night of the Democratic Convention, featuring Obama’s speech, lifted CNN to wins in prime-time for viewers, adults 25-54 and adults 35-64. What is likely to be a rare trifecta after this week for them. The 10-11pm hour featured monster ratings for all the cable newsers. CNN topped out at 8.056 million viewers winning the hour and besting its broadcast competition. P2+ Total Day FNC – 1,359,000 viewers CNN – 1,503,000 viewers MSNBC – 849,000 viewers CNBC – 204,000 viewers HLN – 312,000 viewers Actually, MSNBC has been beating CNN in viewership in recent weeks leading up to the conventions Live + Same Day Cable News Daily Ratings for August 14 2008 P2+ Total Day FNC – 1,052,000 viewers CNN – 494,000 viewers MSNBC – 598,000 viewers CNBC – 256,000 viewers HLN – 323,000 viewers But FNC still holds the summer lead, although pundits have pointed out the gap is closing Live + Same Day Weekend Ratings Cable News Ratings July 26, 2008 P2+ Total Day FNC – 676,000 viewers CNN – 470,000 viewers MSNBC – 379,000 viewers CNBC – 134,000 viewers HLN – 244,000 viewers Live + Same Day Cable News Daily Ratings for July 24, 2008 P2+ Total Day FNC – 1,035,000 viewers CNN – 751,000 viewers MSNBC – 405,000 viewers CNBC – 232,000 viewers HLN – 305,000 viewers Live + Same Day Cable News Daily Ratings for July 04, 2008 P2+ Total Day FNC – 676,000 viewers CNN – 437,000 viewers MSNBC – 294,000 viewers CNBC – 178,000 viewers HLN – 214,000 viewers
September 5, 200818 yr Realizing that Ed Rendell was perhaps the most visible and vocal supporter of Hillary's bid for the White House should cause one to take a look at his quotes with a questioning eye.Is he not supporting Obama for president? Were his comments not made recently, well after the last primary skirmish? His comments were on the mark and summarizes the difference between MSNBC and real news sources.
September 5, 200818 yr Author Is he not supporting Obama for president? Were his comments not made recently, well after the last primary skirmish? His comments were on the mark and summarizes the difference between MSNBC and real news sources. You know better than that. Many Hillary supporters are still miffed that she didn't win and are looking to place blame elsewhere. That's what he's doing. Trying to hang your hat on him being a Dem is disingenuous.
September 5, 200818 yr Labor Day viewership Monday prime-time turned out to be substantially coverage of Hurricane Gustav instead of the first night of the Republican National Convention. Regardless, Fox News was tops across the board in all the total day and prime-time aggregate and age demo categories. P2+ Total Day FNC – 2,309,000 viewers CNN – 1,829,000 viewers MSNBC – 670,000 viewers CNBC – 170,000 viewers HLN – 462,000 viewers August 28 -- Final Day of the DNC The final night of the Democratic Convention, featuring Obama’s speech, lifted CNN to wins in prime-time for viewers, adults 25-54 and adults 35-64. What is likely to be a rare trifecta after this week for them. The 10-11pm hour featured monster ratings for all the cable newsers. CNN topped out at 8.056 million viewers winning the hour and besting its broadcast competition. P2+ Total Day FNC – 1,359,000 viewers CNN – 1,503,000 viewers MSNBC – 849,000 viewers CNBC – 204,000 viewers HLN – 312,000 viewers Actually, MSNBC has been beating CNN in viewership in recent weeks leading up to the conventions Live + Same Day Cable News Daily Ratings for August 14 2008 P2+ Total Day FNC – 1,052,000 viewers CNN – 494,000 viewers MSNBC – 598,000 viewers CNBC – 256,000 viewers HLN – 323,000 viewers But FNC still holds the summer lead, although pundits have pointed out the gap is closing Live + Same Day Weekend Ratings Cable News Ratings July 26, 2008 P2+ Total Day FNC – 676,000 viewers CNN – 470,000 viewers MSNBC – 379,000 viewers CNBC – 134,000 viewers HLN – 244,000 viewers Live + Same Day Cable News Daily Ratings for July 24, 2008 P2+ Total Day FNC – 1,035,000 viewers CNN – 751,000 viewers MSNBC – 405,000 viewers CNBC – 232,000 viewers HLN – 305,000 viewers Live + Same Day Cable News Daily Ratings for July 04, 2008 P2+ Total Day FNC – 676,000 viewers CNN – 437,000 viewers MSNBC – 294,000 viewers CNBC – 178,000 viewers HLN – 214,000 viewers I notice that you chose not to post the numbers for the RNC. Over 9 million viewed the coverage on Fox News on Thursday night. FNC's average ratings in prime time dwarf those of MSNBC and CNN and that is not likely to change anytime soon.
September 5, 200818 yr It's a given that FNC will dominate during the RNC. But out of the sake of balance, here they are Live + Same Day Cable News Daily Ratings for September 3 2008 P2+ Total Day FNC – 2,272,000 viewers CNN – 1,395,000 viewers MSNBC – 745,000 viewers CNBC – 176,000 viewers HLN – 401,000 viewers
September 5, 200818 yr Author It's a given that FNC will dominate during the RNC. But out of the sake of balance, here they are Live + Same Day Cable News Daily Ratings for September 3 2008 P2+ Total Day FNC – 2,272,000 viewers CNN – 1,395,000 viewers MSNBC – 745,000 viewers CNBC – 176,000 viewers HLN – 401,000 viewers While I don't remember the numbers , to back up your point about linking party affiliation to a network, MSNBC had more viewers than Fox for Obama's acceptance speech. Hardly news.
September 5, 200818 yr You know better than that. Many Hillary supporters are still miffed that she didn't win and are looking to place blame elsewhere. That's what he's doing. Trying to hang your hat on him being a Dem is disingenuous. FWIW, when Aces first posted the story, he said that Rendell was a Hilary supporter: Let's hear what current Obama supporter and former Hillary supporter, Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell has to say on the subject. :lol: GE should be ashamed for positioning MSNBC as a news channel.
September 6, 200818 yr I do not claim to be an impartial journalist and I have been as critical of John McCain as anybody who posts in this forum. I take it from your response that you have no idea what Matthews' undergraduate major was. I read several bios and none of them mentioned Matthews' major. Olbermann was a communications major. As someone who was once a journalism major, I can promise you that you do not need a degree in that field to be a journalist. Clearly, you have some bias towards Mathews, and it maks you feel better saying he is not a journalist. So, you're losing credibilty in your arguments. It's kinda arrogant to think a degree is required to be recognized in your field. It's demeaning to those who don't have degrees. What do you call someone who drops out of college, or high school, then goes on to become a millionaire in the business world? Wouldn't you call him a business man? Even without a degree? I know a pilot who has no official training. What do I call him?
September 6, 200818 yr I know a pilot who has no official training. What do I call him?:scared::scared::scared:
September 6, 200818 yr As someone who was once a journalism major, I can promise you that you do not need a degree in that field to be a journalist. Clearly, you have some bias towards Mathews, and it maks you feel better saying he is not a journalist. So, you're losing credibilty in your arguments. It's kinda arrogant to think a degree is required to be recognized in your field. It's demeaning to those who don't have degrees. What do you call someone who drops out of college, or high school, then goes on to become a millionaire in the business world? Wouldn't you call him a business man? Even without a degree? I know a pilot who has no official training. What do I call him? Actually, I think that for most people college is a scam, albeit one that is often necessary. I do not have a high regard for most so-called journalists whether they have a degreee or not. However, I respect people like Sam Donaldson, the late Time Russert, and Chris Wallace who can put their political ideology aside and do their job the way that it should be done. The problem with Matthews is that he had no formal training as a journalist, he was a liberal political operative before landing a job at one of the nation's most liberal newspapers, and he makes no effort to be fair or objective on MSNBC, whether he is hosting his own show or covering a political convention. I really don't care about a reporter's political views but I should not be able to guess what those views are when they report news, whether they have a degree in journalism or communications or not. Matthews and Olbermann are clowns.
September 8, 200818 yr Those of you who defend Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews as fine, upstanding, highly qualified journalists might find this personnel decision tough to accept. :lol: I believe that the debate is over. MSNBC Takes Incendiary Hosts From Anchor Seat MSNBC tried a bold experiment this year by putting two politically incendiary hosts, Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews, in the anchor chair to lead the cable news channel’s coverage of the election. That experiment appears to be over. After months of accusations of political bias and simmering animosity between MSNBC and its parent network NBC, the channel decided over the weekend that the NBC News correspondent and MSNBC host David Gregory would anchor news coverage of the coming debates and election night. Mr. Olbermann and Mr. Matthews will remain as analysts during the coverage. The change — which comes in the home stretch of the long election cycle — is a direct result of tensions associated with the channel’s perceived shift to the political left. “The most disappointing shift is to see the partisan attitude move from prime time into what’s supposed to be straight news programming,” said Davidson Goldin, formerly the editorial director of MSNBC and a co-founder of the reputation management firm DolceGoldin.
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