Well that is a thread title to get people to pop into the thread, ain't it.:D:D:D

 

I believe it was an article written by Ace's minister that said that people did not follow the Bible totality and used the thread title Scripture as an example.

 

1 Corinthians 14:33-35 (New International Version)

 

 

33For God is not a God of disorder but of peace.

As in all the congregations of the saints, 34women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. 35If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.

 

 

 

 

 

The lesson Paul was teaching--order in the worship service--is timeless. All worship services, regardless of the culture/time period, should have order (see v. 40 of the same chapter). That is the lesson Paul is teaching in this section--order in worship.

 

But he uses cultural applications, restricted to that time period/culture, to get his point across. He first talks about speaking in tongues, which I believe is a spiritual gift that was solely experienced around the time of the apostles. That was a cultural application he used to discuss how worship should be orderly.

 

Same with the women issue. I have read that in the first century, the men and women would sit separately from each other--men in front & women in back (or standing around the synagogue). During the teaching time, at least in Corinth, evidently women were interrupting the service by shouting things and being disruptive. This is why Paul says, "Women should be silent."

 

So the permanent lesson we strive to obey: have order in your worship.

 

But the cultural application is just that--specific to that culture. You see the same thing when Paul talks about eating meat sacrificed to idols, or women wearing head coverings, etc.

 

So this is my take:

 

PERMANENT LESSON: Orderly worship.

CULTURAL APPLICATION TO DRIVE HOME THE LESSON: Women being silent.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Here is v.40 he alluded to:

 

40But everything should be done in a fitting and orderly way.

I would love to impress this point upon my wife, but fear the skillet she'd hit me with would leave a rather large dent in my head. :lol:

Women, remaining silent?

 

I think that goes against some sort of law of nature, at least that is the only reason I can think of for their inability to shush sometimes. :sssh:

I am a bit confused - are you taking a position here, one way or another, lbbc?

I was always told that this passage and rule was directed to the church at Corinth alone.

You can tell the Bible was written by men!

I was always told that this passage and rule was directed to the church at Corinth alone.

 

I think that is the position that my minister is alluding to.

 

Habib, I have no position because I have not studied it and don't know. Thus, I asked my minister about it.

 

Wanted to post it here and listen to the debate and points that might help for me to develop a position.

 

Curious on how Catholics will view this stance with the roles of nuns (really don't know much about their roles) in the Catholic church.

I think that is the position that my minister is alluding to.

 

Habib, I have no position because I have not studied it and don't know. Thus, I asked my minister about it.

 

Wanted to post it here and listen to the debate and points that might help for me to develop a position.

 

Curious on how Catholics will view this stance with the roles of nuns (really don't know much about their roles) in the Catholic church.

 

My NT Professor always taught us that most of the rules like these in the NT are aimed specifically at the Church the letter is written to, so as to deal with a problem being faced in that specific church.

I'll ask my 700 wives and 700 mother-in Laws. :creepy:

I think that is the position that my minister is alluding to.

 

Habib, I have no position because I have not studied it and don't know. Thus, I asked my minister about it.

 

Wanted to post it here and listen to the debate and points that might help for me to develop a position.

 

Curious on how Catholics will view this stance with the roles of nuns (really don't know much about their roles) in the Catholic church.

 

Not sure what you mean about their roles...but....when I was growing up, I was taught by nuns and priests, primarily. I did have some lay teachers, but definitely a lot of nuns. When I was a little girl, girls and women were not allowed on the altar, including nuns. Over the years, however, nuns, women, girls...all read at Mass, girls are allowed to be altar persons now....We don't seem to be silenced really....But, you have to understand, EVERYTHING in a Catholic Mass is ritual. The readings, the prayers, the timing, everything. When you kneel, when you sit, when you stand. It doesn't vary. There may be special masses (i.e. First Communion, Wedding), etc. that include "extras", but the Mass itself is always the same.

You can tell the Bible was written by men!

 

 

:lol:

The most terrible thing I ever saw as a little girl was my aunt's husband smacking her hand for reaching for a piece of bread at dinner (according to him she didn't need it). He also believed women should be seen in church, but not heard. I thank the Lord this man was not my Dad.

Not sure what you mean about their roles...but....when I was growing up, I was taught by nuns and priests, primarily. I did have some lay teachers, but definitely a lot of nuns. When I was a little girl, girls and women were not allowed on the altar, including nuns. Over the years, however, nuns, women, girls...all read at Mass, girls are allowed to be altar persons now....We don't seem to be silenced really....But, you have to understand, EVERYTHING in a Catholic Mass is ritual. The readings, the prayers, the timing, everything. When you kneel, when you sit, when you stand. It doesn't vary. There may be special masses (i.e. First Communion, Wedding), etc. that include "extras", but the Mass itself is always the same.

 

What they do.

What they do.

 

 

Well, they teach, they're nurses, they work in social services agencies (like Catholic Charities), they're missionaries. They write, they have tons of differenent vocations.

Well, they teach, they're nurses, they work in social services agencies (like Catholic Charities), they're missionaries. They write, they have tons of differenent vocations.

 

I know they can sing. :lol::lol:

Or at least the ones in Whoopi's movie could.:thumb: