August 19, 200818 yr Not backing you up at all. Those are the only two I knew off the top of my head. There may have been more. A lot of pitchers come up and stick earlier than Cueto and Volquez have, which is the point. Seeing as how you could only name two off the top of your proves that its not that common. There are 30 teams with roughly 12 pitchers each. Thats 360 pitchers in the bigs at one time. 2 out of 360 off the top of your head is not a good ratio at all. It's obvious in today's game that pitchers are given more time to develop and are handled with much more care then they were back in the day.
August 19, 200818 yr Seeing as how you could only name two off the top of your proves that its not that common. There are 30 teams with roughly 12 pitchers each. Thats 360 pitchers in the bigs at one time. 2 out of 360 off the top of your head is not a good ratio at all. It's obvious in today's game that pitchers are given more time to develop and are handled with much more care then they were back in the day.I didn't try all that hard and named two. Given some time to research, I might have found more, but you're not really interested in research, as evidenced by the Mazzone comments. Your initial point was that Cueto and Volquez were comparable to the likes of Maddux, Smoltz and Glavine ... they're not comparable at the same stages of the career (with the possible exception of Cueto vs. Glavine at age 22). Not even close ...
August 19, 200818 yr I didn't try all that hard and named two. Given some time to research, I might have found more, but you're not really interested in research, as evidenced by the Mazzone comments. Your initial point was that Cueto and Volquez were comparable to the likes of Maddux, Smoltz and Glavine ... they're not comparable at the same stages of the career (with the possible exception of Cueto vs. Glavine at age 22). Not even close ... Give me a break. Cueto is having just a good of a season in his first full season as Maddux and Glavine had if their first full season and Volquez is having a better season than any of them had at 24. Pretty comparable if you ask me.
August 19, 200818 yr I didn't try all that hard and named two. Given some time to research, I might have found more, but you're not really interested in research, as evidenced by the Mazzone comments. Your initial point was that Cueto and Volquez were comparable to the likes of Maddux, Smoltz and Glavine ... they're not comparable at the same stages of the career (with the possible exception of Cueto vs. Glavine at age 22). Not even close ... Mike Hampton: 2001 ERA 5.41, 2002 ERA 6.15, 2003 ERA (under Mazzone) 3.84. Jared Wright: 2002 ERA 15.71, 2003 ERA 7.35, 2004 ERA (under Mazzone) 3.28, 2005 ERA (not under Mazzone) 6.08. John Thompson: 2002 ERA 4.71, 2003 ERA 4.85, 2004 ERA (under Mazzone) 3.72. Theres your research for you. Obviously there willbe some pitcher who will have worse numbers under Mazzone, like his time in Baltimore. It didn't help him that at one point he had 3 or 4 minor leaguers pitching for him in the best division in baseball. Just like the other thing i'm talking about, you can find some if you wish who had worse numbers under him, but there will be a lot more that improved under his supervision. Just like you can find some pitchers who stuck at the big league level before 24, but you will find a lot more who didn't
August 19, 200818 yr Mike Hampton: 2001 ERA 5.41, 2002 ERA 6.15, 2003 ERA (under Mazzone) 3.84. Jared Wright: 2002 ERA 15.71, 2003 ERA 7.35, 2004 ERA (under Mazzone) 3.28, 2005 ERA (not under Mazzone) 6.08. John Thompson: 2002 ERA 4.71, 2003 ERA 4.85, 2004 ERA (under Mazzone) 3.72. Theres your research for you. Flawed research ... Hampton spent 2001 and 2002 pitching for Colorado ... naturally his ERA would be lower pitching for Atlanta. Same for Thomson, who played for the Rockies for most of 2001 and spent 2002 pitching for Texas in their bandbox ballpark. Hampton actually had better numbers with Houston and the Mets than he had in Atlanta. And ... neither one pitched another full season in the majors, either. Coincidence? I don't know. Mazzone can get some credit for Wright, but the other two have far different circumstances.
August 19, 200818 yr Give me a break. Cueto is having just a good of a season in his first full season as Maddux and Glavine had if their first full season and Volquez is having a better season than any of them had at 24. Pretty comparable if you ask me.I've explained to you why they're not as comparable as you think they are ... you can accept it or ignore it.
August 19, 200818 yr I suspect Jocketty will be a spender in the offseason, looking to land a starting pitcher and an outfielder. And I'm sure he's hoping to dump a couple of more contracts, if he can find any suckers ... uh, takers.
October 8, 200817 yr If they continue to get quality pitching from the starters, the race will come down to the wire for the Reds. Mark it down. But the pitching must continue to perform like it has the last week or so. Amazing that fans thought this way.:sssh:
October 8, 200817 yr I love the negativity on this board toward the Reds. Everyone complains about the bullpen, but in reality the pen is one of the best in the league. Why is the truth always viewed as negativity on this board??
October 8, 200817 yr The D'Backs have enough Dunn type players. They need someone at the top of the lineup with speed that is going to get on base. They must not have heard you:lol:
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