This bill is about expanding the program, not creating a program. It's already in place.

You do know that you can buy an individual policy, don't you?

 

Si senor, I can. The family plan (my family consists of 2 adults & 3 children) costs nearly $200 per month. this plan is only pays for 2 cleanings per year & roughly 50% of major dental procedures.

 

My household income is over $100,000 per year. With a mortgage, student loans, car payments, car insurance, household bills, 3 children under 7, groceries, electric, etc. I cannot afford another $200 per month.

 

So, how do people making much less than myself expect to pay for doctors bills or dentists etc.

Its one step at a time. I do not think ANYONE save the disabled should have their health care supplied by the government. Health insurance for a child in the state of KY anyways can be supplied through the school system for as little as $20 a month.

 

So for roughly the cost of 1 day in Iraq, we can supply insurance for every school age child in Kentucky. Huh, I wonder which will benefit us the most??

You can get it for far less than that, I promise. People making far less than you do it all the time as they make decisions on where to put their resources. Not trying to be smart, there are people out there that do not know that individual dental policies are out there.

Si senor, I can. The family plan (my family consists of 2 adults & 3 children) costs nearly $200 per month. this plan is only pays for 2 cleanings per year & roughly 50% of major dental procedures.

 

My household income is over $100,000 per year. With a mortgage, student loans, car payments, car insurance, household bills, 3 children under 7, groceries, electric, etc. I cannot afford another $200 per month.

 

So, how do people making much less than myself expect to pay for doctors bills or dentists etc.

 

Have you checked out the site

 

www.daveramsey.com

 

It has some very helpful info. regarding budgeting and finding ways to help fund insurance etc... Might be worth a look.

So for roughly the cost of 1 day in Iraq, we can supply insurance for every school age child in Kentucky. Huh, I wonder which will benefit us the most??

 

Those are for need based students. I personally prefer my tax dollars being spent on defense over social programs. BTW, I do not make financial descisions for you, and its none of my buisness until you start telling me that my tax dollars should pay for someone's insurance. However, it would seem that a household income of over 100k should be able to afford dental if the resources are distributed in a proper manner. I have dental taken out of my check, and I make much less than 100k. Of course, I keep a small mortgage on a house I can afford and my vehicle is paid off. I am also a drive it till it dies kind of guy, and I only buy Toyota's.

Toyota's never die. My 1989 has over 250k on it and runs great! Looks horrible and my kids are embarrassed to ride in it, but runs great. But we digress.

Toyota's never die. My 1989 has over 250k on it and runs great! Looks horrible and my kids are embarrassed to ride in it, but runs great. But we digress.

Ya think???

We already have medicare, medaid, welfare, social security, etc which are all socialist type programs

 

You have this part exactly right . . . we sure don't need anymore entitlement/socialist type programs.

This bill is about expanding the program, not creating a program. It's already in place.

Since 1997. See Title XXI of the Social Security Act.

Expanding or creating, it really doesn't matter. It is just a closer move to socialism.

While I agree with your statement in general about social medicine, I really don't think the incremental number of children covered under this bill would drive a material decrease in the overall revenue generated in the U.S. medical system. In fact, this program would in all likelihood increase the funding flowing into the U.S. medical system because I would be willing to bet that the majority of these kids are not currently covered by insurance of any kind and therefore don't interact with the medical system at all.

 

Another point I wanted to make was in reference to your comment that with a drop in doctor's fees, there will be less incentive for people to enter the field of medicine. To that I say let more doctors trained to appropriate standards in other countries emigrate to the U.S. and fill that supply gap. Many other professions are fully exposed to the winds of foreign competition--it's about time unnecessary protectionist policies be removed from shielding the medical profession as well.

What protectionist policies? My GP is a Haitian emigrant. My pulmonary guy is from Columbia and my ENT was just telling me about the nice visit she had with her parents in Taiwan. My parents have the same pulmonary doctor as I, their GP was born in Cuba, their ENT emigrated from Scotland, Dad's dermatologist hails from India, and Moms dentist is from Vietnam. I don't know what it's like in your milk-toast corner of the country, but there is a shortage of health professionals everywhere and doctors from other countries have been filling the physician portion of those shortages for years.

 

It's too bad nurses aren't emigrating at the same clip. We need them worse. The fact that nurses aren't coming here in droves, despite the demand, kind of disproves your theory about doctors anyway. Salary matters.

I haven't read through all of this but I'm confused. I see free healthcare administered on a daily basis at an alarming rate. Sometimes, when my child is hurt or sick I'm waiting for people that get their kids a free checkup from a hospital like it's a PCP.

 

Shirley I'm missing something...

What protectionist policies? My GP is a Haitian emigrant. My pulmonary guy is from Columbia and my ENT was just telling me about the nice visit she had with her parents in Taiwan. My parents have the same pulmonary doctor as I, their GP was born in Cuba, their ENT emigrated from Scotland, Dad's dermatologist hails from India, and Moms dentist is from Vietnam. I don't know what it's like in your milk-toast corner of the country, but there is a shortage of health professionals everywhere and doctors from other countries have been filling the physician portion of those shortages for years.

 

It's too bad nurses aren't emigrating at the same clip. We need them worse. The fact that nurses aren't coming here in droves, despite the demand, kind of disproves your theory about doctors anyway. Salary matters.

 

 

I'm not surprised that living in Florida, you see a lot more people of diverse backgrounds than we do in Kentucky (including doctors). KY has a very homogeneous population. I question whether we are impeding the flow of health care professionals such as doctors and nurses unnecessarily. If there is a shortage, put those visa and immigration applications on a fast track. There are supposedly shortages for a lot of professions in the U.S.--engineering and information technology is another that has been reported. But there are business lobbies that press for more technology-related people to be let into the country.

 

The point I was making was that if shortages in the numbers of medical professions are exacerbated by payment reductions from health care insurance, there are ways to address that if we choose to admit more foreign-born health care professionals into the country.

Are those people really poor? If so they're on Medicaid. I think KY also has something like S-CHIP but I could be wrong. This S-CHIP thing Bush vetoed was for kids whose parents don't qualify for medicaid but still need help. I know a family with an income of $90,000 sounds like a lot in KY, but many families who live in NY, California, etc. can't afford good insurance b/c of other factors like cost of living. Besides, many small business owners would benefit from this program b/c they'll have less to pay for their kids.