Fee or not for the venue , should be a donation. Does he never look sincere! that grin just gets to me. Seems like he never takes anything serious. No I would not pay.

Pay to hear preaching? Never.

When you attend a performance of whatever kind, you nearly always have to buy a ticket. Osteen is a performer so he is no different. There is a lot of expense in having him and his entourage travel around the country appearing in a variety of large venues. Also, like all the well known television preachers, Osteen appears to personally live very, very well. That takes money.

 

Each must decide if the show is worth the price.

When Larry King asked him if belief in Christ as Savior is the only way to Heaven, and Osteen say there are those who will make it "other ways", well, he falls under false teacher IMO. I agree with Hearsay.

I wonder how much Jesus charged when he went from city to city? :rolleyes:

When Larry King asked him if belief in Christ as Savior is the only way to Heaven, and Osteen say there are those who will make it "other ways", well, he falls under false teacher IMO. I agree with Hearsay.

 

 

If he indeed said that, then you are absolutely correct.

When Larry King asked him if belief in Christ as Savior is the only way to Heaven, and Osteen say there are those who will make it "other ways", well, he falls under false teacher IMO. I agree with Hearsay.

 

Here's a clip of that conversation:

 

http://youtube.com/watch?v=MfwYU2pmWYQ

When Larry King asked him if belief in Christ as Savior is the only way to Heaven, and Osteen say there are those who will make it "other ways", well, he falls under false teacher IMO. I agree with Hearsay.

KING: Because we've had ministers on who said, your record don't count. You either believe in Christ or you don't. If you believe in Christ, you are, you are going to heaven. And if you don't no matter what you've done in your life, you ain't.

 

OSTEEN: Yeah, I don't know. There's probably a balance between. I believe you have to know Christ. But I think that if you know Christ, if you're a believer in God, you're going to have some good works. I think it's a cop-out to say I'm a Christian but I don't ever do anything ...

 

KING: What if you're Jewish or Muslim, you don't accept Christ at all?

 

OSTEEN: You know, I'm very careful about saying who would and wouldn't go to heaven. I don't know ...

 

KING: If you believe you have to believe in Christ? They're wrong, aren't they?

 

OSTEEN: Well, I don't know if I believe they're wrong. I believe here's what the Bible teaches and from the Christian faith this is what I believe. But I just think that only God with judge a person's heart. I spent a lot of time in India with my father. I don't know all about their religion. But I know they love God. And I don't know. I've seen their sincerity. So I don't know. I know for me, and what the Bible teaches, I want to have a relationship with Jesus.

 

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/20/lkl.01.html

Using HHSDad's transcript of what was said, it appears to me that he was saying that, although he saw it a certain way, only God, not Joel Osteen, will do the judging.

 

I'm no Osteen fan but I find no fault with how he handled the question which, coming from King and in light of King's usual audience, was a loaded and inflamatory question.

 

I have more problem with the guys who give their unwavering interpretations with statements dripping with their own judgment and brimstone. To the "unchurched" or to the "borderline churched", they cause more harm than good.

 

In the end, shouldn't it be said, as did Osteen, regardless of what we personally believe, in the end only God will make those decisions? Where was he wrong?

When Larry King asked him if belief in Christ as Savior is the only way to Heaven, and Osteen say there are those who will make it "other ways", well, he falls under false teacher IMO. I agree with Hearsay.

 

You saw that, too? I was wondering whether anyone else on here had.

Using HHSDad's transcript of what was said, it appears to me that he was saying that, although he saw it a certain way, only God, not Joel Osteen, will do the judging.

 

I'm no Osteen fan but I find no fault with how he handled the question which, coming from King and in light of King's usual audience, was a loaded and inflamatory question.

 

I have more problem with the guys who give their unwavering interpretations with statements dripping with their own judgment and brimstone. To the "unchurched" or to the "borderline churched", they cause more harm than good.

 

In the end, shouldn't it be said, as did Osteen, regardless of what we personally believe, in the end only God will make those decisions? Where was he wrong?

 

He was asked, point blank, whether Muslims and Jews who did not believe in Christ would go to Heaven. It is possible he misunderstood the question. It is possible he was distracted and not listening. It is also equally possible that Joel Osteen is a pretender who does not want to "offend" and therefore let the question slide by equivocating and saying "only God can know a man's heart." While absolutely correct in what he SAID, the damage is what he DID NOT SAY, which should have been an unequivocal "No." Equivocating, as I said, damages our mission.

 

He can't be defended on the basis of the interviewer, the program, or the audience. He knew those things when he accepted the role to come on, and he knew these questions might be coming. If he is not prepared for Larry king, he sure as heck isn't prepared for a seeker.

 

I might add he also in another part of the interview said he was the "next Billy Graham."

I've seen Billy Graham on TV

 

I've seen Billy Graham in person

 

I've read Billy Graham's book.

 

I have material sent to me By Billy Graham

 

 

Joel...you are no Billy Graham.

 

 

Thanks for the youtube, that was interesting. I didn't know more people were upset with his little use of scripture that I refered to.

Here's a clip of that conversation:

 

http://youtube.com/watch?v=MfwYU2pmWYQ

 

You saw that, too? I was wondering whether anyone else on here had.

 

I've watched the clip twice and I don't see either a direct quote saying "other ways" or an implication of "other ways."

He is correct on some issues and the quote about "he shouldn't say who can enter heaven, thats God" is one that I use and we all should use. I've had preachers tell me Baptists were going to hell...on the radio.

 

He is a good speaker and seems like he cares for people. I don't know much about his past and education. Someone gave me his book, maybe I'll break down and read it if I can locate it.

He, like most other "pay for pray" TV preachers, creeps me out to no end.