October 3, 200718 yr You're wanting to spin this to make your point. I'm not going to play along with that. I think the protesting sugggests that the truth has hit a nerve. The point, without the cute spin, is that areas like Ft. Thomas are being unfairly treated by the state under the SEEK plan. Simple as that. Unfairly??? Look at Ft. Thomas facilities and look around the area at some of the not so wealthy areas. Seems like some other areas are being treated unfairly? Coming from a poorer area and having the highest GPA in my class at NKU, this seems fairly inaccurate to say some "care more."
October 3, 200718 yr Again, you're naming specific places that no one has named. Nobody said that others "don't care." The idea is that some school systems are being under-funded now because their tax-payers have voted to fund their schools the way they see fit. Classic blinders-fully-fitted-to-my-face way of thinking. Where exactly is the tax base in Wolfe County? Where is the income in Wolfe County? You're saying , indirectly, that we simply say "life's tough, youngster" and not adequately fund the Wolfe County school system because he/she happens to be in an area with no economic base to pull funds from. Lastly, when you say Ft Thomas "cares more" you're saying other school systems (those that you think are moochers) "do not care." That's elitist, ill-conceived, and emblematic of myopic thinking.
October 3, 200718 yr Why not check with some of the BOE's in Eastern Ky and compare the budget they have to deal with (with little tax base to work with) to some of the larger districts where property is more plentiful,appraised higher and actually PAID.If you take Title I and Seek money out of some of these districts,they would be closed before the school year started. And remember..SEEK is paid PER student and depends on that student's attendance.
October 3, 200718 yr Why not check with some of the BOE's in Eastern Ky and compare the budget they have to deal with (with little tax base to work with) to some of the larger districts where property is more plentiful,appraised higher and actually PAID.If you take Title I and Seek money out of some of these districts,they would be closed before the school year started. And remember..SEEK is paid PER student and depends on that student's attendance. Simple. Tell them to "care" more and then grow those trees my dad never planted for me in the back yard.
October 3, 200718 yr Why not check with some of the BOE's in Eastern Ky and compare the budget they have to deal with (with little tax base to work with) to some of the larger districts where property is more plentiful,appraised higher and actually PAID.If you take Title I and Seek money out of some of these districts,they would be closed before the school year started. And remember..SEEK is paid PER student and depends on that student's attendance. This is also based on last years ADA. If you have an enrollment of 345 and an ADA of 300 in 2007, and in 07-08 you have an enrollment of 390 and ADA of 350, you basically have to make up the missing money, it shows how screwed up the system is. For all the Locals around Maysville: http://www.maysville-online.com/articles/2007/10/02/local_news/2027cats.txt
October 3, 200718 yr You're wanting to spin this to make your point. I'm not going to play along with that. I think the protesting sugggests that the truth has hit a nerve. The point, without the cute spin, is that areas like Ft. Thomas are being unfairly treated by the state under the SEEK plan. Simple as that. How are they being treated unfairly? They recently had some money available for building construction and they didn't use it...more or less the superintendent was shown the door.
October 3, 200718 yr Completely Awful Testing System I just wonder where they found the infinite number of monkeys. Just like: Kentucky Early Retirement Act
October 3, 200718 yr Classic blinders-fully-fitted-to-my-face way of thinking. Where exactly is the tax base in Wolfe County? Where is the income in Wolfe County? You're saying , indirectly, that we simply say "life's tough, youngster" and not adequately fund the Wolfe County school system because he/she happens to be in an area with no economic base to pull funds from. Lastly, when you say Ft Thomas "cares more" you're saying other school systems (those that you think are moochers) "do not care." That's elitist, ill-conceived, and emblematic of myopic thinking. Wolfe County is the 22 poorest county in the country.
October 3, 200718 yr This is also based on last years ADA. If you have an enrollment of 345 and an ADA of 300 in 2007, and in 07-08 you have an enrollment of 390 and ADA of 350, you basically have to make up the missing money, it shows how screwed up the system is. For all the Locals around Maysville: http://www.maysville-online.com/articles/2007/10/02/local_news/2027cats.txt :thumb:
October 3, 200718 yr Why not check with some of the BOE's in Eastern Ky and compare the budget they have to deal with (with little tax base to work with) to some of the larger districts where property is more plentiful,appraised higher and actually PAID.If you take Title I and Seek money out of some of these districts,they would be closed before the school year started. And remember..SEEK is paid PER student and depends on that student's attendance. There is more to the SEEK formula, and much of it is measured with property tax wealth.
October 3, 200718 yr In the last school year under the old system of funding schools (1989/90), the lowest funded school district in Kentucky received $2,591 per pupil in total revenue (local, state, and federal), and the highest funded district received $5,506 per pupil. This gap in funding was decried as deplorable and very inequitable. In the latest school year that data is available from the Kentucky Department of Education (2005/06), the lowest funded school district in Kentucky received $7,078 per pupil, and the highest funded district received $13,162 per pupil, and these latest revenue numbers do not include a category of revenue called "other" that may be significant in some districts. (http://www.education.ky.gov/KDE/Administrative+Resources/Finance+and+Funding/School+Finance/Financial+Information/Annual+Financial+Reports.htm)
October 3, 200718 yr Unfairly??? Look at Ft. Thomas facilities and look around the area at some of the not so wealthy areas. Seems like some other areas are being treated unfairly? Coming from a poorer area and having the highest GPA in my class at NKU, this seems fairly inaccurate to say some "care more."Our facilities were in very bad shape before recent renovations were started at the high school. Our grade schools still have problems. A lot of people think that Ft. Thomas is paved in gold and must have the best of everything. This is untrue. Everyone is harping on the sentence about caring. Here, to refresh everyone's memory, is what I actually said: ...we are being punished because we go the extra mile and actually care about our schools enough to fund them properly. Seek is just a pathetic attempt to take money away from those who help their local schools, so that others don't have to. As you can see, nowhere did I say that any particular group of people don't care about their schools. I was trying to make the point (somewhat sloppily) that we: 1. Care about our schools 2. Have voted for taxes to fund them. 3. Have excellent parent and community involvement. There are, whether anyone is willing to admit it, places in this state where none of these things are true. I think those of us in communities like Ft. Thomas, and Ft. Mitchell feel like we are being unfairly penalized under this plan. That's all there is to it. I'm sure others can articulate the point better than I have-- or haven't, in this case. My comments were an attempt to point to something positive in our community. Unfortunately, others chose to flip them around into a negative that simply wasn't intended or implied.
October 3, 200718 yr There is more to the SEEK formula, and much of it is measured with property tax wealth. You are absolutely correct. I would be interested to know,even with the current system in place,how many of our E.Ky. districts are having a problems meeting the mandatory contingency.If not now,next year or the year after. How soon before some of these districts are taken over . The simple fact is,we depend on Seek and Title I..every penny MUST be accounted for (and rightfully so),with little leeway with the minimal tax base we have. And we have to educate our kids under this system. Sooner or later,economically,it will fail.
October 3, 200718 yr You are absolutely correct. I would be interested to know,even with the current system in place,how many of our E.Ky. districts are having a problems meeting the mandatory contingency.If not now,next year or the year after. How soon before some of these districts are taken over . The simple fact is,we depend on Seek and Title I..every penny MUST be accounted for (and rightfully so),with little leeway with the minimal tax base we have. And we have to educate our kids under this system. Sooner or later,economically,it will fail. This is bad for both Eastern KY and the high growth schools. Wasn't Floyd County in financial trouble for several years?
October 3, 200718 yr http://www.education.ky.gov/KDE/Administrative+Resources/Finance+and+Funding/School+Finance/SEEK+and+Tax+Rates/SEEK.htm Dig in...go to SEEK/Tax rates, and you can get each districts local tax rates, per pupil funding and so forth. On one other link it explains the formula. Ft. Thomas has a property value of $1,128,765,652. compared to Owsley County's $108,020,481.. Extroadinary difference.
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