Have at it:

 

http://www.khsaa.org/annualmeeting/20072008/annualmeetingproposals20072008.pdf

Not much in way of private/public issues. The expanded investigative committee was expected.

 

The 4 week dead period looked like a hottest potato in the bunch. Many of the football people will not like that. That change is probably an attempt to expand the pool of football players by appealing to the hardcore baseball players since the baseball people don't usually wrap up until mid-July and they take their vacations in late July. Hence they dont play since they would miss the first week or 2 of practice. Just a guess, but it matches the same reasoning for the football/basketball change.

Yawn.

Is it beneficial for H.S. football teams to have (2) scrimmages? Thoughts?

Interesting proposal with the dead period. I like how it clearly defines when basketball and football can have the athletes.

 

How many of us have heard of the athlete that had football, basketball and baseball all in the same day? Not good for these young people.

Interesting proposal with the dead period. I like how it clearly defines when basketball and football can have the athletes.

 

How many of us have heard of the athlete that had football, basketball and baseball all in the same day? Not good for these young people.

 

Why isn't it good for the young people? My grandma used to say "Idle time is the devil's time."

If the coaches are working together so the kid doesn't have to choose, I applaud them for making accomodations and I applaud the kid for getting off the couch and playing the games he/she loves...

Military exception seems to be a no-brainer.

This one seems to be the one to generate the most discussion. If I was an AD, I would like to see a plan for an estimated cost and how to offset that cost before I voted for it. It seems to be a good idea but a HUGE financial commitment.

 

PROPOSAL 2007 - 4

 

Rationale - While current KHSAA procedures provide for a sophisticated

due process hearing process, there is no corresponding compliance/

investigative procedure, to permit the Association to respond in a

timely, effective and consistent manner to allegations of violations

or reports of rules infractions, and to make determinations that will

have the confi dence of their member institutions, other stakeholders

and the general public. Specifi cally, current procedures provide that

investigations are to be triggered by a request for a ruling, or by routine,

periodic reports and/or audits conducted by the Association. No current

procedure clearly empowers KHSAA to proceed with random compliance

checks, or to conduct investigations of specifi c alleged violations based

on information received, nor are Commissioners specifi cally authorized

to initiate complaints/investigations on their own (based on information

brought to their attention).

Perhaps most importantly, the Association currently does not have specifi c

investigative procedures or staff specifi cally tasked to conduct meaningful

investigations, preserve the Association’s discretion and fl exibility to

police its membership, and require that member institutions, regulated

student athletes and their parents, and other stakeholders, respond to

investigations in a timely and cooperative manner (or, in the alternative,

face appropriate sanctions.)

As a result of all of the above, there is a real question as to whether

complaints and concerns are being investigated in a prompt and effective

manner. Rumor, misinformation and suspicion have fi lled the void caused

by the absence of an effective compliance process, and conclusions

are being drawn from anecdotal information that is exaggerated or

inaccurate, to the detriment of relationships within the organization

and the organization’s credibility with its membership and the general

public.

Finally, it is believed that prompt investigation and resolution will result in

fewer legal challenges to Association action, such that this program will

result in

If we aren't willing to pay to enforce the rules, we shouldn't have the rules. Unenforced rules are worse than no rules. By the way, I think that most schools are following the rules. Far too many people make unsubstantiated charges about the private schools. If those same people don't support enhanced enforcement, it leads me to the conclusion that they don't relly believe their own charges.

If we aren't willing to pay to enforce the rules, we shouldn't have the rules. Unenforced rules are worse than no rules. By the way, I think that most schools are following the rules. Far too many people make unsubstantiated charges about the private schools. If those same people don't support enhanced enforcement, it leads me to the conclusion that they don't relly believe their own charges.

 

So let's say we are talking $5 to $10 million dollars for this. That is a major cost and you have to wonder if there is not another way to do this. Talking $1-3, it is reasonable and a good plan. Public and/or private schools don't have blank checks to send in KHSAA dues.

So let's say we are talking $5 to $10 million dollars for this. That is a major cost and you have to wonder if there is not another way to do this. Talking $1-3, it is reasonable and a good plan. Public and/or private schools don't have blank checks to send in KHSAA dues.

 

This proposal will not cost anywhere near $1,000,000, let alone 5 or 10. Anything can be reduced to the absurd. Are you in favor of enforcing the existing rules or not?

This one seems to be the one to generate the most discussion. If I was an AD, I would like to see a plan for an estimated cost and how to offset that cost before I voted for it. It seems to be a good idea but a HUGE financial commitment.

 

PROPOSAL 2007 - 4

 

Rationale - While current KHSAA procedures provide for a sophisticated

due process hearing process, there is no corresponding compliance/

investigative procedure, to permit the Association to respond in a

timely, effective and consistent manner to allegations of violations

or reports of rules infractions, and to make determinations that will

have the confi dence of their member institutions, other stakeholders

and the general public. Specifi cally, current procedures provide that

investigations are to be triggered by a request for a ruling, or by routine,

periodic reports and/or audits conducted by the Association. No current

procedure clearly empowers KHSAA to proceed with random compliance

checks, or to conduct investigations of specifi c alleged violations based

on information received, nor are Commissioners specifi cally authorized

to initiate complaints/investigations on their own (based on information

brought to their attention).

Perhaps most importantly, the Association currently does not have specifi c

investigative procedures or staff specifi cally tasked to conduct meaningful

investigations, preserve the Association’s discretion and fl exibility to

police its membership, and require that member institutions, regulated

student athletes and their parents, and other stakeholders, respond to

investigations in a timely and cooperative manner (or, in the alternative,

face appropriate sanctions.)

As a result of all of the above, there is a real question as to whether

complaints and concerns are being investigated in a prompt and effective

manner. Rumor, misinformation and suspicion have fi lled the void caused

by the absence of an effective compliance process, and conclusions

are being drawn from anecdotal information that is exaggerated or

inaccurate, to the detriment of relationships within the organization

and the organization’s credibility with its membership and the general

public.

Finally, it is believed that prompt investigation and resolution will result in

fewer legal challenges to Association action, such that this program will

result in

 

The "cost" will primarily be the added salaries and benefits of three people. Which, if these people can thoroughly investigate allegations and disprove/prove the allegations, will be well worth those costs. Right now, we have a lot of hearsay about allegations that people either buy into or reject with very little proof either way. I think it is a common sense proposal that hopefully will be passed this time. It was not last year.

The "cost" will primarily be the added salaries and benefits of three people. Which, if these people can thoroughly investigate allegations and disprove/prove the allegations, will be well worth those costs. Right now, we have a lot of hearsay about allegations that people either buy into or reject with very little proof either way. I think it is a common sense proposal that hopefully will be passed this time. It was not last year.

 

If it is ONLY 3 people with all the allegations that are alluded to on here, won't they be working 100 hour weeks? If they are supposed to be truly investigating, they will be making trips to communities to interview people. This means travel expenses of mileage, hotels, meals.

 

Will the legal costs of enforcing their decisions, subpoenas be high?

 

Not arguing or debating, trying to understand the reality of the proposal. The theory seems good but I know well in education that theory does not necessarily equal reality.

 

Remember the old, "ignore the bad behavior and the kid will stop because he is not getting attention.":D

This proposal will not cost anywhere near $1,000,000, let alone 5 or 10. Anything can be reduced to the absurd. Are you in favor of enforcing the existing rules or not?

 

Well, that's a silly question. Of course, and from my perspective they mostly are now. Not sure what rules are not being enforced when the KHSAA has the ability and proof to enforce them.

If it is ONLY 3 people with all the allegations that are alluded to on here, won't they be working 100 hour weeks? If they are supposed to be truly investigating, they will be making trips to communities to interview people. This means travel expenses of mileage, hotels, meals.

 

Will the legal costs of enforcing their decisions, subpoenas be high?

 

Not arguing or debating, trying to understand the reality of the proposal. The theory seems good but I know well in education that theory does not necessarily equal reality.

 

Remember the old, "ignore the bad behavior and the kid will stop because he is not getting attention.":D

 

Oh no doubt you are right there will be some mileage ( I doubt there will be the need to much hotel usage...Ky's not that big). As for the cost of enforcement, heck, I'd hope that once the message gets out that the rules are going to be strictly enforced and allegations carefully investigated that any aberrant behavior would be diminished, thus eventually reducing the costs (I'm an optimist). In any event, the total cost of greater compliance will be small compared to the "cost" of the current situation.