If you put the multiplier high enough (say 10 or 11) you could force all private schools into 6A. Almost a back door approach to prop 20 (with a few really big schools also thrown in.

So it is added AFTER that? Yow!!!

 

That would make Trinity and St.X HUGE. That would make Trinity about 4200 by that method. :scared:

Well, the multiplier doesn't do anything to Trinity and St. Xavier, because they're already on the high end of enrollment.

 

In most states that use the multiplier, it was implemented because private schools were dominating the small and mid-level classes.

I've been told that parents, in several places, were told and chose to ignore the rule and the warnings. Once you penalized the first one, you can't take it back. That's what would be unfair.

It's not that complicated. Just stay back in the seventh grade.

 

Have the parents told you that? Has someone from the school told you that? I can't imagine parents holding their kids back knowing they will not play their senior year. I honestly think it is something that needs to be changed. If a high school student is not 19 going into his senior year they should be able to play sports!

Have the parents told you that? Has someone from the school told you that? I can't imagine parents holding their kids back knowing they will not play their senior year. I honestly think it is something that needs to be changed. If a high school student is not 19 going into his senior year they should be able to play sports!

Maybe, but rules are rules ... and they've been on the books for a while. Ignorance of the rule is no excuse.

Have the parents told you that? Has someone from the school told you that? I can't imagine parents holding their kids back knowing they will not play their senior year. I honestly think it is something that needs to be changed. If a high school student is not 19 going into his senior year they should be able to play sports!

 

Are you serious? Sports are a privelage. If you can't maintain a passing grade level, you should not be eligable. 19 should continue to be the oldest you can possibly be on a high school football field, and that is only if your birthday is after a certain date. Also, four years should be it. High school is not a red shirt program.

Have the parents told you that? Has someone from the school told you that? I can't imagine parents holding their kids back knowing they will not play their senior year. I honestly think it is something that needs to be changed. If a high school student is not 19 going into his senior year they should be able to play sports!

 

 

They were good sources, as always, but apparently the parents thought they'd be enough people like you to complain that it isn't fair and the rule wouldn't be followed.

 

Four years of high school sports seems fair to me.

So it is added AFTER that? Yow!!!

 

That would make Trinity and St.X HUGE. That would make Trinity about 4200 by that method. :scared:

 

That's why a multiplier does nothing with 6 classes. It just throws private schools in with a different set of public schools. If I were Belfry and sitting atop 3A with not a private school to be seen I'd say leave them where they belong in 1A or 2A and don't send your perceived "problems" to our class.

So, this might be a first in the P/P forum, we are all in agreement that the multiplier is a bad idea?

They were good sources, as always, but apparently the parents thought they'd be enough people like you to complain that it isn't fair and the rule wouldn't be followed.

 

Four years of high school sports seems fair to me.

 

That makes no sense, if a student is held back after finishing the 8th grade and is an 8th grader again I see no problem with it. Now, if it is a junior in high school wanting to do that then there lies the problem.

That makes no sense, if a student is held back after finishing the 8th grade and is an 8th grader again I see no problem with it. Now, if it is a junior in high school wanting to do that then there lies the problem.

 

You said as long as they weren't 19. I wasn't sure where you were drawing the line. Once you pass the eighth grade, the four-year count starts. I don't see why it's a problem. It's been a rule for several years now.

Have the parents told you that? Has someone from the school told you that? I can't imagine parents holding their kids back knowing they will not play their senior year. I honestly think it is something that needs to be changed. If a high school student is not 19 going into his senior year they should be able to play sports!

 

You cannot hold a kid back now in the 8th grade?

 

 

You CAN as long as they do not actually graduate.

May want to use a different metaphor considering the public vs. private topic.

 

 

Holy Cross in Louisville was penalized heavily of few years ago. The rules are in place.

 

If a private school were in or near your county, would you consider sending your student there? Would the student want to attend? If a parent drives near a school when they go to work, why not consider sending them to school there?

Is it easier to point fingers and cry foul or give the program you care about your full support, including monetary gifts?

 

In Louisville, the numbers game alone is enough to hurt the publics versus the privates. Assumption, Sacred Heart....900+ girls. St. Xavier and Trinity more than 1300+ boys. Mercy is closing in on 600 girls. Until you offer classes in all sports (again, leave basketball alone since that seems to be a great money maker for the KHSAA), as other state associations do, then you will have the privates win more often than the publics like.

 

I believe the 25 mile rule would be tested in court by someone who lives 30 miles from St. Matthews or Poplar Level Rd. It is a goodwill gesture. The need for greater investigative strength shouldn't be needed. The rules are on the books. All you need is proof, as it should be when accusing someone of doing something improper.

 

When the KHSAA was started, the main concern from 1917 to the 1970s was the age of the students. Where they resided was never an issue. Many students living outside the city limits of Louisville attended Male and Manual. St. Xavier had kids from Indiana attending their institution early on. The students names, parents/guardians names, and addresses of the starters were often included in the local newspaper reports leading up to a big football game. Sometimes, place of birth was included to show where the kids came from!

There were 100+ small community schools out in the state. LaGrange, Pleasureville,etc. No one questioned where the kids lived who attended those schools. Proper documentation of their age was all that was needed. A school was put on probation for using an ineligible QB (papers on file at the school had been changed) and their coach left and came to Louisville to coach a prominent program the following season. And so it goes.....

That's why a multiplier does nothing with 6 classes. It just throws private schools in with a different set of public schools. If I were Belfry and sitting atop 3A with not a private school to be seen I'd say leave them where they belong in 1A or 2A and don't send your perceived "problems" to our class.

 

 

Okay I am going to try to explain this, because you seem to completely miss this point every time I try to make it.

 

St. Generic is a co-ed private school in Class A. They are dominating Class A, therefore because of an advantage of being private(either real or perceived) it is determined that moving them up in class on account of a multiplier will level the playing field more. The logic behind this being that schools with larger enrollments have more athletes walking their halls and are thus more evenly matched against the smaller St. Generic than the class A schools. So we take St. Generic up and they start playing against schools that are much larger than they are and thus their competitive advantage is supposed to disappear.

 

THAT is the rationale behind it. It won't affect the schools like Trinity and St.X one bit because we are large enough to be put in the biggest class without needing any multiplier. Putting a multiplier on us just changes a number, won't change our classification at all.

 

Schools like CAL, LCA, Lex Cath, Louisville Holy Cross, Owensboro Catholic and so on would be affected. For instance Lex Cath would have to compete with Henry Clay, Paul Dunbar, Trinity, Male, Manual and St.X for the 6A title if they were given a multiplier. It would make a difference in that regard.

Okay I am going to try to explain this, because you seem to completely miss this point every time I try to make it.

 

St. Generic is a co-ed private school in Class A. They are dominating Class A, therefore because of an advantage of being private(either real or perceived) it is determined that moving them up in class on account of a multiplier will level the playing field more. The logic behind this being that schools with larger enrollments have more athletes walking their halls and are thus more evenly matched against the smaller St. Generic than the class A schools. So we take St. Generic up and they start playing against schools that are much larger than they are and thus their competitive advantage is supposed to disappear.

 

THAT is the rationale behind it. It won't affect the schools like Trinity and St.X one bit because we are large enough to be put in the biggest class without needing any multiplier. Putting a multiplier on us just changes a number, won't change our classification at all.

 

Schools like CAL, LCA, Lex Cath, Louisville Holy Cross, Owensboro Catholic and so on would be affected. For instance Lex Cath would have to compete with Henry Clay, Paul Dunbar, Trinity, Male, Manual and St.X for the 6A title if they were given a multiplier. It would make a difference in that regard.

 

I don't miss the point. The point is that a multiplier does not work.

 

For example, if LexCath was moved all the way from 4A to 6A as you mentioned how does that help "level the playing field" for the 6A public schools?

 

Now instead of just worrying about beating Trinity and St.X you just gave the 6A public schools another team capable of winning a state title.

 

You can argue that a 6A public school should be equal to a 4A private school because of the enrollment difference all you want but in reality you just made it more difficult for those 6A public schools to win a title. Henry Clay would undoubtedly be on board with that great help you just provided.

 

You could argue that the class vacated by a private school should be "easier" to win by the public schools left in that class but then you want to move other private schools into those classes and negate that. Again tell me how class 3A public schools would be helped by moving a bunch of private schools into that class when they don't have any now?

 

And don't forget there are teams voluntarily playing up in class now. CovCath (private) is in 5A and should be 4A, Highlands (public) is in 5A and should be 3A, Somerset (public) is in 3A and should be 2A. That was done for travel/money purposes because they would not have a district anywhere close otherwise. Therefore, first it must not be that big of a disadvantage if teams are doing without being forced, and second, should districts just be all geographically mangled so you can move private schools around.

I don't miss the point. The point is that a multiplier does not work.

 

For example, if LexCath was moved all the way from 4A to 6A as you mentioned how does that help "level the playing field" for the 6A public schools?

 

Now instead of just worrying about beating Trinity and St.X you just gave the 6A public schools another team capable of winning a state title.

 

You can argue that a 6A public school should be equal to a 4A private school because of the enrollment difference all you want but in reality you just made it more difficult for those 6A public schools to win a title. Henry Clay would undoubtedly be on board with that great help you just provided.

 

You could argue that the class vacated by a private school should be "easier" to win by the public schools left in that class but then you want to move other private schools into those classes and negate that. Again tell me how class 3A public schools would be helped by moving a bunch of private schools into that class when they don't have any now?

 

And don't forget there are teams voluntarily playing up in class now. CovCath (private) is in 5A and should be 4A, Highlands (public) is in 5A and should be 3A, Somerset (public) is in 3A and should be 2A. That was done for travel/money purposes because they would not have a district anywhere close otherwise. Therefore, first it must not be that big of a disadvantage if teams are doing without being forced, and second, should districts just be all geographically mangled so you can move private schools around.

 

 

So you are essentially saying we should just have 1 class for football since enrollment obviously makes no difference. Beechwood and NCC have just as much of a shot as Trinity, X and Male.

 

From what I have seen the from Henry Clay recently by the way they could beat Lex Cath. Lex Cath would struggle in 6A, of that I have no doubt especially when they would run ino the big Louisville schools. Not just T and X but Male, Manual and Ballard too.