I know that other states do a multiplier (I believe that TN went to this) for private schools. Since they are able to pull from a larger area. It is a compromise that privates should be willing to make.

 

But as others have pointed out, it won't make a difference in non-classified sports and in football it won't make a difference in the largest class.

Does anyone trust the KHSAA at this point to have the best interest of the kids in mind? With a majority of the votes, will it ever end until it is legislated to the point where public and private split?

I know that other states do a multiplier (I believe that TN went to this) for private schools. Since they are able to pull from a larger area. It is a compromise that privates should be willing to make.

 

But as others have pointed out, it won't make a difference in non-classified sports and in football it won't make a difference in the largest class.

 

But again I'll ask it. If a multiplier moves O-Cath and NewCath and Cov Holy Cross and CAL into 3A where I believe there are no Private schools now how is that leveling the playing field to the public schools in 3A?

 

About the only class it would help is 1A if it would move all the private schools out and then after Beechwood or Mayfield win 347 titles in a row they might have to declare them "private".

But again I'll ask it. If a multiplier moves O-Cath and NewCath and Cov Holy Cross and CAL into 3A where I believe there are no Private schools now how is that leveling the playing field to the public schools in 3A?

 

About the only class it would help is 1A if it would move all the private schools out and then after Beechwood or Mayfield win 347 titles in a row they might have to declare them "private".

 

They should already have an inherent enrollment advantage, thus leveling the playing field. DeSales, who would be 1A were it not for the multiplier already added to them, is competitive but not dominant in class 2A. I would venture to guess that it would be similar in the above cases.

 

If KY had schools that got to the size that most other states do, then I doubt highly that Trinity and St.X would have been as dominant over the last 20 years or so.

 

I would have gotten to this question earlier, just didn't have much time on my hands.

They should already have an inherent enrollment advantage, thus leveling the playing field. DeSales, who would be 1A were it not for the multiplier already added to them, is competitive but not dominant in class 2A. I would venture to guess that it would be similar in the above cases.

 

If KY had schools that got to the size that most other states do, then I doubt highly that Trinity and St.X would have been as dominant over the last 20 years or so.

 

I would have gotten to this question earlier, just didn't have much time on my hands.

 

I would think the 2A private schools would love to be moved to 3A if for no other reason than getting away from Danville. And if I were a 3A public school I'd say leave them in all in 2A.

I would think the 2A private schools would love to be moved to 3A if for no other reason than getting away from Danville. And if I were a 3A public school I'd say leave them in all in 2A.

 

That really is an irrelevant point as the purpose of the question was more related to the enrollment aspect of it. There could well be 3A teams that would dominate these smaller private schools.

 

There really is no way to solve the disparity at the top considering T and X have enrollments equal to those of the other schools in their class, only theirs are all male.

 

Were some schools larger in the state it wouldn't be as big a deal I think. Of course I know there are many school districts that seem to buy into the philosophy of keeping enrollment around 1000 students per school and building new schools as it comes up. I personally would prefer a school to hire more teachers and upgrade existing facilities. It has worked for us. Student to teacher ratio is more indicative of student progress than enrollment numbers in my estimation of things.

That really is an irrelevant point as the purpose of the question was more related to the enrollment aspect of it. There could well be 3A teams that would dominate these smaller private schools.

 

There really is no way to solve the disparity at the top considering T and X have enrollments equal to those of the other schools in their class, only theirs are all male.

 

Were some schools larger in the state it wouldn't be as big a deal I think. Of course I know there are many school districts that seem to buy into the philosophy of keeping enrollment around 1000 students per school and building new schools as it comes up. I personally would prefer a school to hire more teachers and upgrade existing facilities. It has worked for us. Student to teacher ratio is more indicative of student progress than enrollment numbers in my estimation of things.

 

It is only irrelevant until moved up in class private schools win championships and then "the level playing field" would have to be addressed again. And it is only irrelevant to public schools it doesn't effect negatively. Plus it does nothing for non-classified sports which is the majority of sports in the state. I just do not see where a multiplier solves anything.

It is only irrelevant until moved up in class private schools win championships and then "the level playing field" would have to be addressed again. And it is only irrelevant to public schools it doesn't effect negatively. Plus it does nothing for non-classified sports which is the majority of sports in the state. I just do not see where a multiplier solves anything.

 

 

You continually ignore the one school that it HAS affected(DeSales). Besides, the comment I made was more or less in refrence to your discounting of moving someone out of 2A anyway because of Danville, a public school, kind of defeats your own point about the public schools needing to worry about the privates.

 

You also assume that because a school is private that they will inherently dominate sports at any level. This I do not believe to be the case as the only real levels of constant dominance we see are in football in 4A now 6A and girls sports.

You continually ignore the one school that it HAS affected(DeSales). Besides, the comment I made was more or less in refrence to your discounting of moving someone out of 2A anyway because of Danville, a public school, kind of defeats your own point about the public schools needing to worry about the privates.

 

You also assume that because a school is private that they will inherently dominate sports at any level. This I do not believe to be the case as the only real levels of constant dominance we see are in football in 4A now 6A and girls sports.

 

I don't understand your reference to DeSales. Have they been multiplied?

 

I don't assume privates will dominate at any level.

 

Let me break it down this way for football which is classified along with track/CC.

 

Since 2000 only 4 schools have played in the Class A finals (Beechwood, Mayfield, Danville, NewCath). With the expansion to 6 classes Beechwood and Mayfield remain in Class A while Danville and NewCath were sent to 2A. If some sort of multiplier is applied to Newcath and they are sent to 3A where they are just as likely to have success as they have at the 1A/2A level how has that "leveled the playing field?" Beechwood and Mayfield will continue to have success in 1A, Danville in 2A, and NewCath in 3A. Additionally, many other good private programs could be moved to 3A. How is that leveling the playing field for the 3A schools? And you could argue that the public schools would have an enrollment advantage but consider that a team like Somerset is playing up in 3A instead of 2A due to travel/lack of teams. Let's say LexCath is moved to 5A. Now you have Highlands, CovCath, and Lexcath all in 5A. How's that help the 5A schools?

Does anyone trust the KHSAA at this point to have the best interest of the kids in mind? With a majority of the votes, will it ever end until it is legislated to the point where public and private split?

 

Yes, with the KHSAA made up of the Principals/AD's at the local schools you have to believe they have the best interests of kids at heart. You might disagree what the best interests are, but these guys/gals are not doing it because they get rich as an AD or Principal.

 

They spend thousand of hours doing meaningless routine and tedious work, just so a kid gets a chance to play on a field somewhere. They spend 15 hours a week mowing soccer fields, football fields, etc, I believe that they have the best interest of the kids at heart.

 

You just disagree with the definitino of best interests.

Does anyone trust the KHSAA at this point to have the best interest of the kids in mind? With a majority of the votes, will it ever end until it is legislated to the point where public and private split?

 

Absolutely not...

 

I wish that were true, but based on many decisions the KHSAA has made in the past, I would say that many times their votes are based on the best interests of the schools where they work, the regions they are in, maybe even their personal child's best interests, but NOT the best interests of "kids"...

Though it appears dead or at least dormant I am wondering who is sponsering a 25 mile radius limit. There are a number of kids from Frankfort and Richmond that attend LC, some atheletes, some not. I would think that LC would not agree to this since the 25 mile radius limit my impact kids from these locals.

Absolutely not...

 

I wish that were true, but based on many decisions the KHSAA has made in the past, I would say that many times their votes are based on the best interests of the schools where they work, the regions they are in, maybe even their personal child's best interests, but NOT the best interests of "kids"...

 

 

If I am not mistaken, those schools are filled with ????????????????????? O Yeah, kids that they are supposed to be representing.

If I am not mistaken, those schools are filled with ????????????????????? O Yeah, kids that they are supposed to be representing.

 

You are missing the point. The best interest of certain schools members of the KHSAA board represents, mean hurting the best interest of other schools along the way, which is wrong. Some of the decisions by the KHSAA are utterly stupid.

 

example:

 

Putting the future Harlan Co. schools in a district with Scott Co, Shelby Co, etc. They did correct this mistake, but it was not done with the best interest of students.

You are missing the point. The best interest of certain schools members of the KHSAA board represents, mean hurting the best interest of other schools along the way, which is wrong. Some of the decisions by the KHSAA are utterly stupid.

 

example:

 

Putting the future Harlan Co. schools in a district with Scott Co, Shelby Co, etc. They did correct this mistake, but it was not done with the best interest of students.

 

First, it was 190something schools and not just a handful of schools on the board. You do understand that the Board STOPPED Prop 20 and not proposed or passed it. You do understand that the new proposals are from the schools and NOT the board.

 

Second, were you involved in the decision making to give first hand accounts that it was not in the best interest or just your opinion because they don't always make decisions that agree with you. Cause I would love to hear your accounts rather than loosely based comments that are not based in facts and take shots at people that work very hard in helping provide athletic contests for these young men and ladies.

 

Third, every decision is going to hurt someone's best interests. For example, they are realigning the golf regions and a proposal to go from two teams and individually (3 on boys' side and 5 on the girls' side)representing each region to one team and top 10 on each side. Now for those in regions where there are powerhouses like a Notre Dame or a Sacred Heart or a Glasgow, the kids who have earned their way as the team runner-up, it won't happen anymore. But individually, more individual schools will be getting to the state tournament with one golfer. So you have hurt the best interests of the second tiered schools aiming for that 2nd team spot for the best interests of individual golfers. You have taken a team sport and turned the focus at so many schools to individuals. I disagree with this decision and have emailed so. But if they decide to go that route, I won't claim that they are not doing what is in the best interests of the kids but work in that system till the time the system is overhauled again.