Continuing on from the end of the HHS-Dixie thread:

 

There is no 5 yard chuck rule in high school. I'm not an official but my understanding is that once the player is no longer deemed a potential blocker, he cannot be hit even if the ball is not in the air. This, for example, means that the TE cutting across the middle cannot be blindsided by the LB.

 

I think the challenge is in determining at what point the player crosses into the "receiver" mode.

I thought it was the same as college?:confused:

I would like clarification of the "chuck" rule in Kentucky High School football and also an interpretation of the "face guarding" rule when it comes to defending potential receivers.

 

Who out there can help increase my knowledge of the rules?

Continuing on from the end of the HHS-Dixie thread:

 

There is no 5 yard chuck rule in high school. I'm not an official but my understanding is that once the player is no longer deemed a potential blocker, he cannot be hit even if the ball is not in the air. This, for example, means that the TE cutting across the middle cannot be blindsided by the LB.

 

I think the challenge is in determining at what point the player crosses into the "receiver" mode.

 

A defender may legally contact an eligible receiver beyond the neutral zone before the pass is in flight. The contact may be a block or warding off the opponent who is attempting to block by pushing or pulling him. However, if the receiver is not attempting to block or has gone past or is moving away, it is illegal use of the hands.

I would like clarification of the "chuck" rule in Kentucky High School football and also an interpretation of the "face guarding" rule when it comes to defending potential receivers.

 

Who out there can help increase my knowledge of the rules?

 

There is no "chuck" rule in high school.

I thought it was the same as college?:confused:

 

I believe college includes the catchable vs uncatchable where high school does not.

I believe college includes the catchable vs uncatchable where high school does not.

That's correct, there is no distinction for an uncatchable pass in HS.

 

Another difference is that there is no faceguarding rule in college; pass interference requires contact in NCAA rules.

 

In both codes, interference is defined as "interfering with an eligible opponent's opportunity to move toward, catch or bat the pass." That's the easy call the grandma in the 5th row can make, but there's more to it than that...

 

It's probably most important to understand what is NOT pass interference: "Unavoidable contact when two or more eligibles are making a simultaneous, bona fide attempt to move toward, catch or bat the pass."

 

Quite often, it's activity that fits this second description that leads to disagreement with an official's judgement. Some examples include two opponent's getting their feet inadvertently tangled and tripped-up, minor contact with the hands to "feel" the position of the opponent, and the obvious contact while making the "bonafide" attempt to catch or bat the ball.

 

So, just because contact occurs, it doesn't always mean that the contact warrants a pass interference foul. And sometimes interference occurs during what appears to be a great play. More than any other call, PI usually boils down to an official's judgement.

 

A rule of thumb that officials use to determine pass interference is if the "suspect" opponent who initiates the contact is both looking toward the ball and is actually in position to make a play. If that's the case, no foul.

 

Faceguarding and the illegal block by the linebacker on the receiver in the drag pattern are covered under specific rules:

 

Faceguarding: "A player shall not hinder an opponent's vision without making an attempt to catch, intercept or bat the ball, even though no contact was made."

 

Illegal block: "A defensive player shall not contact an eligible receiver who is no longer a potential blocker." See Vangelis' previous post on this thread.

The rule is that the reciver can be jammed untill the ball is in the air.

In the CCH game against Scott, A1 was called for PI against B1 AND B1 was called for PI against A1 on the same play.

 

Possible?

The rule is that the reciver can be jammed untill the ball is in the air.

 

No. Its not the simple. It depends on what the offensive player is doing. If he's deemed to be a receiver ie running a route and not attempting to block, he cannot be hit even if the ball is not in the air.

 

In your example, one could interpret the following as legal:

 

A TE crossing the middle and looking back at the qb gets decked before the ball is in the air.

 

A WR running a fly pattern looking back to see if the ball is coming getting decked by the safety before the ball is in the air.

 

Neither are legal.

BTW, one that many do not know is that there cannot be PI on a receiver who is behind the line of scrimmage. So a back getting ready to receive a screen pass who is behind the LOS can be hit before the ball gets there.

I got a question on the face guarding rule...Say there is a mis coverage in the secondary and a guy gets wide open deep. The Throws the ball and the receiver is just sitting there waiting for the ball to get to him. While the defender who was not by the receiver, is running full speed just to try to get to the receiver and actually gets their the same time as the ball but he dont turn around and it hits him in the helmet...Would that be face guarding, since the guy wasn't really even guarding him he was just trying to get to the guy who was wide open waiting for the ball?

I got a question on the face guarding rule...Say there is a mis coverage in the secondary and a guy gets wide open deep. The Throws the ball and the receiver is just sitting there waiting for the ball to get to him. While the defender who was not by the receiver, is running full speed just to try to get to the receiver and actually gets their the same time as the ball but he dont turn around and it hits him in the helmet...Would that be face guarding, since the guy wasn't really even guarding him he was just trying to get to the guy who was wide open waiting for the ball?

See my post above (I got caught up in editing while a few posts were being made, you probably haven't seen it yet).

 

If the defender is not looking at the ball and is not attempting to make a play, it's faceguarding if he raises his hands in an attempt to hinder the receiver's vision.

In the CCH game against Scott, A1 was called for PI against B1 AND B1 was called for PI against A1 on the same play.

 

Possible?

Definitely a unique situation, but yes it's possible. Just a guess (I wasn't there) but it was probably a situation where there was illegal contact and then some retaliation. Offsetting penalties may have been the most equitable solution to tell all involved to "knock it off".

See my post above (I got caught up in editing while a few posts were being made, you probably haven't seen it yet).

 

If the defender is not looking at the ball and is not attempting to make a play, it's faceguarding if he raises his hands in an attempt to hinder the receiver's vision.

 

He never raised his hands or anything. As I said this receiver was wide open due to a blown coverage, and the QB just threw it nice and high to get it to the receiver since he was wide open. So while the ball was in the air the defender who was like 15 yards away just came running full speed and was just running to get to the guy so when he caught it he could tackle him, and he got there the same time as the ball and it hit him in the back of the helmet...So it wasn't even like the defender was guarding him, the guy was just wide open and the defender was just running over to get to the guy...