There is such a thing as a "chuck", but obviously there is a new buzz word for knocking a receiver off his route.

 

What is that new buzzword?

 

A. Illegal contact

B. Don't tase me, bro.

No. Its not the simple. It depends on what the offensive player is doing. If he's deemed to be a receiver ie running a route and not attempting to block, he cannot be hit even if the ball is not in the air.

 

In your example, one could interpret the following as legal:

 

A TE crossing the middle and looking back at the qb gets decked before the ball is in the air.

 

A WR running a fly pattern looking back to see if the ball is coming getting decked by the safety before the ball is in the air.

 

Neither are legal.

I disagree. The wide out you described would never be legal, but the TE could be. You have to treat that TE as a different animal. What is the LB's recourse on a running play? Does he stand there and wait to determine if its pass or run?

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A. Illegal contact

B. Don't tase me, bro.

Even with the play fake its easy to call. While the play fake is going on, the TE is fair game. However, once its obvious that it was a ball fake and now the TE is obviously running a route, he's off limits.

Absolutely! ONCE the TE is obviously running a route, he is off limits, but a lot happens in those few seconds! I think we are on the same page, its just coaching that differs. Are you an offensive guy or a defensive guy?

I disagree. The wide out you described would never be legal, but the TE could be. You have to treat that TE as a different animal. What is the LB's recourse on a running play? Does he stand there and wait to determine if its pass or run?

 

You don't treat the TE differently. You simply watch the play to see what he does and what's going on. If its obvious that its a pass (say after the play action) at that point if the TE is not engaged in a block but , instead, is running across the field looking back, hands off. If he's not looking back and instead is looking like he's going to block someone, he's fair game.

Are you an offensive guy or a defensive guy?

 

I think if you polled the audience, many would say I'm offensive.

I disagree. The wide out you described would never be legal, but the TE could be. You have to treat that TE as a different animal. What is the LB's recourse on a running play? Does he stand there and wait to determine if its pass or run?

I said that backwards! The wide out would always be legal. Even if he is stalking. Sorry!

See my post above (I got caught up in editing while a few posts were being made, you probably haven't seen it yet).

 

If the defender is not looking at the ball and is not attempting to make a play, it's faceguarding if he raises his hands in an attempt to hinder the receiver's vision.

But thats better than a TD! Thats the one advantage that the defense has. When they changed the rule to 15 yds. If you are completely beat on a pass, tackle him! Its 15 yds and auto first down. Thats always better than a score!

I think if you polled the audience, many would say I'm offensive.

I guess that could be taken several ways!!:laugh:

I disagree. The wide out you described would never be legal, but the TE could be. You have to treat that TE as a different animal. What is the LB's recourse on a running play? Does he stand there and wait to determine if its pass or run?

Outlaw has a valid point; linebackers are held to a different "sniff test" than DBs because they are conditioned to be wary of TEs blocking down on them. Officials are not going to call a "touch foul" against a linebacker in this situation.

 

And CSHS81 hit the nail on the head when he used the term "obvious". Officials are only going to call the illegal block foul on the linebacker if it's so "big and obvious" that we have no choice.

 

The bottom line is that sometimes the linebacker hit on the drag pattern is missed, sometimes it's ignored, and it's always subject to being called.

Be back shortly! Bill Maher is on and I feel like making myself sick!

But thats better than a TD! Thats the one advantage that the defense has. When they changed the rule to 15 yds. If you are completely beat on a pass, tackle him! Its 15 yds and auto first down. Thats always better than a score!

Would you be surprised if I told you that intentional pass interference carries an additonal 15 yards? (Rule 7-5-10, listed under penalty assessments on page 62, 2007 NFHS Fooball Rules.)

Would you be surprised if I told you that intentional pass interference carries an additonal 15 yards? (Rule 7-5-10, listed under penalty assessments on page 62, 2007 NFHS Fooball Rules.)

Ive been involved in football for 36 years and I have never seen or heard of that being called! Have you ever seen it called??

Ive been involved in football for 36 years and I have never seen or heard of that being called! Have you ever seen it called??

Nope. But it's there.

Nope. But it's there.

i dont doubt that you are correct. Thanks for the info but I still dont see that ever being called! I looked it up and you are correct!!:thumb: