LBBC, unfortunately, there's plenty of blame to go around to both parents and educators. SS is right, as you know, in stating that a lot of educators resisted Title IX tooth and nail, and unfortunately, some still do. It doesn't take a Harvard educated person to see, based on the success of female athletic programs, which schools embraced Title IX (or Heaven forbid, were already emphasizing female athletics before the law required them to do so) and which schools resisted/are resisting.

 

As for parents, its equally unfortunate that there are still a large percentage of parents that do not think that college, or even a really solid secondary education, is all that necessary. I wish Ashland Oil had put as much money in public announcement pieces emphasizing that parents need to re look at the value of college for their kids as they did emphasizing teacher pay several years. We can pay teachers a million dollars a year, but it will be wasted money if the kids are being told at home by their parents that high school and college don't matter because the kids can get a $15 dollar an hour job at the local manufacturing plant when they graduate from high school. I heard for years that some kids just aren't cut out for college ("they're not college material"). That may have been okay 15 years ago, but its not true any more. Every kid, with the required effort can get into and succeed in college. For some it's easier, but everyone can do it.

 

Even if you want to get a job at the local manufacturing plant, you best have the computer skills and technological skills of a community college degree and you need a solid high school foundation to make that worthwhile. Unskilled labor jobs are leaving the country in droves and will continue to do so in the future (and I'm not opposed to that by the way as I am a big free trade proponent). What manufacturing jobs remain in the States will require highly skilled employees and the sooner all parents and kids figure that out the better, or be ready to try to raise a family flipping burgers. If you choose that route for yourself or your children, you will have no one to blame but yourself when the haves get more and you get less. It was your decision, so you'll have to live with it.

Title IX, absolutely they resisted it. And yes, absolutely it was needed. That is, IMO, inarguable.

 

But SS took it a step farther and implied the concept that academically, schools/teachers are resistent to new learning and teaching tests/methods that would enhance learning. THAT is FAR from the truth.

 

He implied that teachers are not the leaders and calling for these changes and that is hogwash. I have served and know of other teachers who serve on numerous state committees to make recommendations to Frankfort on what needs to be done and should be done. Those teachers are routinely ignored for the whims of politicians who want to court votes by saying they are the answer to the woes of the public schools.

 

Somehow, someway, the public schools need to be removed from the control of the legislators who change at each election cycle.

 

NCLB will be changing shortly after 2008 Presidential Election and we have a new President that wants to try something else.

LBBC, unfortunately, there's plenty of blame to go around to both parents and educators. SS is right, as you know, in stating that a lot of educators resisted Title IX tooth and nail, and unfortunately, some still do. It doesn't take a Harvard educated person to see, based on the success of female athletic programs, which schools embraced Title IX (or Heaven forbid, were already emphasizing female athletics before the law required them to do so) and which schools resisted/are resisting.

 

As for parents, its equally unfortunate that there are still a large percentage of parents that do not think that college, or even a really solid secondary education, is all that necessary. I wish Ashland Oil had put as much money in public announcement pieces emphasizing that parents need to re look at the value of college for their kids as they did emphasizing teacher pay several years. We can pay teachers a million dollars a year, but it will be wasted money if the kids are being told at home by their parents that high school and college don't matter because the kids can get a $15 dollar an hour job at the local manufacturing plant when they graduate from high school. I heard for years that some kids just aren't cut out for college ("they're not college material"). That may have been okay 15 years ago, but its not true any more. Every kid, with the required effort can get into and succeed in college. For some it's easier, but everyone can do it.

 

Even if you want to get a job at the local manufacturing plant, you best have the computer skills and technological skills of a community college degree and you need a solid high school foundation to make that worthwhile. Unskilled labor jobs are leaving the country in droves and will continue to do so in the future (and I'm not opposed to that by the way as I am a big free trade proponent). What manufacturing jobs remain in the States will require highly skilled employees and the sooner all parents and kids figure that out the better, or be ready to try to raise a family flipping burgers. If you choose that route for yourself or your children, you will have no one to blame but yourself when the haves get more and you get less. It was your decision, so you'll have to live with it.

Bolded, AMEN!!!!!!!!

Unfortunately, when something is not working at the public schools, it seems to ALWAYS be the teachers fault. And many, many times, the fault lies in something that the teacher has ZERO control over and CANNOT alter.

 

Although I wouldn't turn down a million dollars per year.:thumb:

SS......currently if you check who has Title IX violations there are private schools and public schools on the list. Giving it is :fight: the moral thing to so so private schools do it.....well shouldn't that then apply to all instances? We really don't want to get in to a morality debate with the Catholic schools now do we???????

What does special -ed have to do with Title IX and girls sports ?:confused:

 

Can I make this joke and everyone know that it is light hearted - I don't want to be suspended but it's just how my mind works...

 

To answer your question......... they're both a little slow.

LBBC, unfortunately, there's plenty of blame to go around to both parents and educators. SS is right, as you know, in stating that a lot of educators resisted Title IX tooth and nail, and unfortunately, some still do. It doesn't take a Harvard educated person to see, based on the success of female athletic programs, which schools embraced Title IX (or Heaven forbid, were already emphasizing female athletics before the law required them to do so) and which schools resisted/are resisting.

 

As for parents, its equally unfortunate that there are still a large percentage of parents that do not think that college, or even a really solid secondary education, is all that necessary. I wish Ashland Oil had put as much money in public announcement pieces emphasizing that parents need to re look at the value of college for their kids as they did emphasizing teacher pay several years. We can pay teachers a million dollars a year, but it will be wasted money if the kids are being told at home by their parents that high school and college don't matter because the kids can get a $15 dollar an hour job at the local manufacturing plant when they graduate from high school. I heard for years that some kids just aren't cut out for college ("they're not college material"). That may have been okay 15 years ago, but its not true any more. Every kid, with the required effort can get into and succeed in college. For some it's easier, but everyone can do it.

 

Even if you want to get a job at the local manufacturing plant, you best have the computer skills and technological skills of a community college degree and you need a solid high school foundation to make that worthwhile. Unskilled labor jobs are leaving the country in droves and will continue to do so in the future (and I'm not opposed to that by the way as I am a big free trade proponent). What manufacturing jobs remain in the States will require highly skilled employees and the sooner all parents and kids figure that out the better, or be ready to try to raise a family flipping burgers. If you choose that route for yourself or your children, you will have no one to blame but yourself when the haves get more and you get less. It was your decision, so you'll have to live with it.

 

Yep - we've watered down the curriculum enough that everyone can get a college degree now. That's why competitive businesses don't put much stock in the college degrees now. Experience makes a much better impression than a diploma these days.

What does special -ed have to do with Title IX and girls sports ?:confused:

For PC sake, it is resource students.:sssh:

Yep - we've watered down the curriculum enough that everyone can get a college degree now. That's why competitive businesses don't put much stock in the college degrees now. Experience makes a much better impression than a diploma these days.

 

Maybe your competitive business doesn't put much stock in a college degree, but my corporate clients sure do. Many will not hire employees without college degrees. Its no longer a plus, its a requirement.

Title IX, absolutely they resisted it. And yes, absolutely it was needed. That is, IMO, inarguable.

 

But SS took it a step farther and implied the concept that academically, schools/teachers are resistent to new learning and teaching tests/methods that would enhance learning. THAT is FAR from the truth.

 

He implied that teachers are not the leaders and calling for these changes and that is hogwash. I have served and know of other teachers who serve on numerous state committees to make recommendations to Frankfort on what needs to be done and should be done. Those teachers are routinely ignored for the whims of politicians who want to court votes by saying they are the answer to the woes of the public schools.

 

Somehow, someway, the public schools need to be removed from the control of the legislators who change at each election cycle.

 

NCLB will be changing shortly after 2008 Presidential Election and we have a new President that wants to try something else.

 

Not even sure where to begin. Teachers make recommendations to Frankfort?! OK, what in the world have they been doing for the past decade through site base councils? There is great independence granted at that level and the council make up guarantees a teacher majority. So what gives? Oh, I forgot. They can be measured per school so the measurement must be challenged.

 

As for being removed from legislature control that is so scary but sound strategy for the NEA. Why do you want this? If you got it then who would you be accountable to? Answer that. The bottom line and the future hold and as unaccepting as you want it to be, the accountability demand will continue to expand and this will most certainly apply pressure to the teacher. To expect by your commentary to not have oversight but funding is such a scary consideration and will not produce any better product.

Just a reminder. This thread is about how Title IX affects private schools.

Doesn't apply to the largest private Catholic schools as they are single sex schools.

 

Holy Cross in Louisville as well as Kentucky Country Day, Christian Academy, Beth Haven would have to adhere to title IX if they accept Federal money of any sort.

 

Any co-ed private school would be subjected to IX if any of their students benefit from food assistance programs, etc.

Fine, than get rid of the CATS testing than that are not used to compare to any other states.

 

Right now, we have a fall test for CATS.

We have a spring test for CATS.

We have the No Child Left behind tests.

We have the PLAN test.

We have the ACT test.

We have portfolios.

We have reading tests that have to be administered.

 

Let us teach.

 

 

Don't forget the EXPLORE test that eighth graders take...

Doesn't apply to the largest private Catholic schools as they are single sex schools.

 

Holy Cross in Louisville as well as Kentucky Country Day, Christian Academy, Beth Haven would have to adhere to title IX if they accept Federal money of any sort.

 

Any co-ed private school would be subjected to IX if any of their students benefit from food assistance programs, etc.

Whether those schools receive federal money or not, they have to follow Title IX guidelines because they're members of the KHSAA.

 

As for being removed from legislature control that is so scary but sound strategy for the NEA. Why do you want this? If you got it then who would you be accountable to? Answer that. The bottom line and the future hold and as unaccepting as you want it to be, the accountability demand will continue to expand and this will most certainly apply pressure to the teacher. To expect by your commentary to not have oversight but funding is such a scary consideration and will not produce any better product.

What is a better route? I really don't know. If I did, I would be running for office, too, telling the voters why my idea for schools is the best.

 

My point is that everytime the legislature changes, the plan for schools change.

 

Everytime the governor changes, the plan for schools change.

 

Everytime the President changes, the plan for schools change.

 

Everytime the Congress changes, the plan for schools change.

 

I have no problem with accountability. But don't come to us this year, say THIS is how you are going to be judged. Train us on it for the next year. Test us once and come back to us in 2-3 years and tell us, we are changing how you are going to be measured.

 

In my 18 years of teaching, I have lost count of the # of different ways and tests that have been used to measure us. Honestly, I believe it is 8-10 different tests or methods of evaluation that has been used in my 18 years.

 

A politician gets some clout and says it is this way. They lose that clout to another group of politicians and it changes to another manner.

 

BTW, site-base is a NON-VOTING committee. And the teacher's are 1/2 of the committee. Not sure how 3 out of 6 is a majority. AND don't make the assumption the principal is going to agree on everything with the teachers.

 

I can tell you teachers want to teach kids. THat is what we want to do. But so much of education today takes teachers away from that.

 

The final product in today's public schools is a number. NOT THE KIDS. And that is sad and wrong. Have your measurability indexes but when the focus is on hitting a number (and many, many, many more things go in that besides test scores) and not kids, that is wrong.

When I was a new and young teacher that KNEW everything, I bristled at the older teachers that resisted the change that SS alludes to. They would say, we did that 20 years ago.

 

And now that I am older and wiser, can't say less hair because I didn't have any then either, they were right.

 

Mid-90's block scheduling came in from the education gurus and it was the way to educate and set your day up and was going to do this and that. So we all went to block scheduling.

 

Well now 10 years later, the latest buzz is 50-minute periods. That is the way to educate and setup your schedule. So school after school is studying the 6 or 7 period day. We have made a move at least for freshmen to go that way.

 

The same schedule that I taught in my first 2 years.

 

My wife came out in elementary that whole language was the way to go. Those people wanting the accountability was pushing whole language. Spelling wasn't vital but the kid learning the whole word. So the phonics books that we grew up in went away.

 

And then everyone starting complaining and saying that kids didn't know how to spell. So after 5-7-10 years of whole language, "Hooked on Phonics" and programs like that became the wave. And the phonics books are back.

 

Give it another few years and there will be another method that will be the hot buzzword and teachers will be told to move to that way.