Forgive us in the Private school sector....we're used to paying for everything whether it's required or voluntary! It's really funny how much we don't mind paying if we're told to pay.

You owe me $10. You can mail that to LBBC, 1234 ABC drive, Public school KY.:sssh:

 

Of course, ponying up the money for governmental programs is the liberal in you coming out. :D :D :D I couldn't resist.

The ACT is required and will be a part of the public school accoutability. The state is now paying for evry public school child to take the ACT one time. If you take it more than once than it is on the parents.

 

The fallicy............not all kids go to college and are college material. This includes special education students, those on a vocational track, etc to take the ACT. NOT a bright move on the legislatures part because the only kids not taking it now are those not going to college and guess what is going to happen to the state's ACT scores when everybody takes it

The ACT is required and will be a part of the public school accoutability. The state is now paying for evry public school child to take the ACT one time. If you take it more than once than it is on the parents.

 

The fallicy............not all kids go to college and are college material. This includes special education students, those on a vocational track, etc to take the ACT. NOT a bright move on the legislatures part because the only kids not taking it now are those not going to college and guess what is going to happen to the state's ACT scores when everybody takes it

And when the ACT scores of a school drops because kids are taking this test, it will be thrown in their face that they are not doing a good job.

When you require things in the public school setting and the free/reduced crowd cannot pay for it, someone is going to have to.

 

I am not saying it is right, just saying how it works. Also, your local school district IS NOT the one that has put this through. Just gives us ANOTHER thing to be responsibile for when the parents are not.

 

The politicians want ANOTHER test to use to compare our students with students in other parts of the country. It is important to know, I guess, how our students in Rabbit Hash, KY are matching up with those in Fairbanks, Alaska.

 

Why not? Teachers in Kentucky do not hesitate to compare their pay scale to surrounding states in asking for more money. It is not unreasonable for the taxpaying public to expect test results to be measured the same.

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Why not? Teachers in Kentucky do not hesitate to compare their pay scale to surrounding states in asking for more money. It is not unreasonable for the taxpaying public to expect test results to be measured the same.

 

Excellent point, Silver Shadow.

The private schools followed Title IX before there was a Title IX because it was the right thing to do . Girls sports in many private schools have a great tradition going back years . They did not have to be persuaded to do what is right and fair .

 

I guess they do when it comes to special education.

I guess they do when it comes to special education.

What does special -ed have to do with Title IX and girls sports ?:confused:

I guess they do when it comes to special education.

 

:confused: Trinity has a program that has received national acclaim, and schools from several states have come to observe the program to potentially model in their own schools. Assumption also has an acclaimed learning-differences program.

 

I'm only familiar with the programs at these two schools, but there are children in private schools who would be in Spec Ed classes in public schools.

I guess they do when it comes to special education.

In addition to what RM just said, you should also check out the award Trinity received for making the campus and its buildings handicapped accessible. Before you level charges, you should arm yourself with some facts. I don't claim that all private schools provide programs for special needs kids. I just know that the one I support does.

I guess they do when it comes to special education.

Lexington Catholic is in the process of starting a program for special needs education, modeld after Trinity's program.

Fun Fact:

 

The private schools who offer special programs, etc do so because the WANT to, not because they're forced to.

 

Each school that I'm familiar with has expanded their programs regularly over the last 8-10 years in order to continually stengthen the programs and offer more to more children.

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Why not? Teachers in Kentucky do not hesitate to compare their pay scale to surrounding states in asking for more money. It is not unreasonable for the taxpaying public to expect test results to be measured the same.

Fine, than get rid of the CATS testing than that are not used to compare to any other states.

 

Right now, we have a fall test for CATS.

We have a spring test for CATS.

We have the No Child Left behind tests.

We have the PLAN test.

We have the ACT test.

We have portfolios.

We have reading tests that have to be administered.

 

Let us teach.

Fine, than get rid of the CATS testing than that are not used to compare to any other states.

 

Right now, we have a fall test for CATS.

We have a spring test for CATS.

We have the No Child Left behind tests.

We have the PLAN test.

We have the ACT test.

We have portfolios.

We have reading tests that have to be administered.

 

Let us teach.

 

 

I hear this all the time. Teach what instead of what the community wishes to be measured? The ability to assume a teacher is king of their classroom is from a bygone era. There is an expectation and accountability measure. There are other test measurements that could be more effective than what you describe above but such measurements would provide effective detail as to who is getting it done in the classroom compared to who is not. There is not a resounding call from the educational community to embrace it.

 

As is evidenced by this thread on Title 9. It took a legal precedent to change by force what should have been provided without challenge. As late as a few years ago, Boone County Schools had to cough up a few million due to their belief of Title 9 instead of the courts/jury.

 

Title 9 exists in schools. Left to their own efforts, schools failed it, ignored it or pretend it did not exist. Legal action had to occur.

 

Same for special education. Same for segregated schools. etc.

 

The simple point is your profession has never really demonstrated leadership to advance or expand unless forced by outside influences and the outside influences today are accepting nothing less than significant improvement in the classrooms.

I hear this all the time. Teach what instead of what the community wishes to be measured? The ability to assume a teacher is king of their classroom is from a bygone era. There is an expectation and accountability measure. There are other test measurements that could be more effective than what you describe above but such measurements would provide effective detail as to who is getting it done in the classroom compared to who is not. There is not a resounding call from the educational community to embrace it.

 

As is evidenced by this thread on Title 9. It took a legal precedent to change by force what should have been provided without challenge. As late as a few years ago, Boone County Schools had to cough up a few million due to their belief of Title 9 instead of the courts/jury.

 

Title 9 exists in schools. Left to their own efforts, schools failed it, ignored it or pretend it did not exist. Legal action had to occur.

 

Same for special education. Same for segregated schools. etc.

 

The simple point is your profession has never really demonstrated leadership to advance or expand unless forced by outside influences and the outside influences today are accepting nothing less than significant improvement in the classrooms.

So when are you going to rail and call for improvement in parenting? Because THAT is where the breakdown is occurring. Not in the classroom by the teachers.

 

So rail away and you hold parents accountable and they improve parenting and you will see kids' education improve.

 

And yes, teachers have taken leadership roles in asking for social programs that would benefit kids. NEA has consistently called for universal health care for kids. So that kids aren't either a)missing school because they are sick and the parents don't/won't provide health care for them; b)coming to school sick but not going to the doctor to get healthy and making everyone else sick.

Do you deny my premise though? Parents, sure its a problem. But that has always been the case and no generation was better than any other. In relation to this thread, why was Title 9 created? Because schools failed or would not provide opportunities for all all students. Why did Brown vs. Board of Education become law, because schools failed to provide opportunities for all students. Why did IDEA become law? What drove the efforts to NCLB?

 

My posts clearly point me out to public school advocacy. However, that does not preclude me from ignoring the failures by education left to their own management devices.

 

On Title 9, you hear about the costs all the time from schools. What you do not hear is the efforts to make it promotional for their schools, acknowledged as a good thing, etc. What you will hear is coaches complain how they lose gym time, schedule conflicts, etc. Title 9 is an excellent law. I conclude that perhaps the private schools do it because it may be as much the right thing to do as the moral thing to do.