I was curious because my sisterinlaw was married to a non-Catholic. They divorced and then he died. She later on began to take the courses to become Catholic.

 

She said in discussing the marriage, they did not consider her divorced because her husband had died even though they had divorced before he died. I asked her to explain that view of it and she had no clue.

 

It had always confused me.

 

If you divorce as a Catholic, can you remarry in a Catholic ceremony or do you have to get the Churches permission.

 

 

I know at my church, if you are living with someone and come to the church to get married, they willl ask you to separate out of your present living conditions for a certain period of time before they will allow you to use the church. Might hurt someone's feelings but they feel it is more in line with the way Jesus would view marriage than living together before then.

If I am reading that correctly, she wouldn't be divorced because she wasn't married in a Catholic cemetery.

 

You need to get an annullment to remarry in a Catholic ceremony (which, I believe, is much much easier than it used to be to get).

 

That is good that your church does that, I'm sure most all Catholic priests would recommend that as well.

Very serious and honest question RM, what is the Catholic churches view of a Catholic marrying someone that is another Christian denomination? Do they recognize that marriage? Do they recognize the marriage to a non-Christian?

My father married a Jewish woman (my mother) in a Catholic Church and it is recognized as a marriage.

If I am reading that correctly, she wouldn't be divorced because she wasn't married in a Catholic cemetery.

 

You need to get an annullment to remarry in a Catholic ceremony (which, I believe, is much much easier than it used to be to get).

 

That is good that your church does that, I'm sure most all Catholic priests would recommend that as well.

 

God bless you, my child! :lol:

 

 

To answer LBBC's question. EVEN if the woman had been Catholic, married to a Catholic, and then divorced from same, after he died, she would be free to marry...but not while he was still alive if they didn't obtain and annullment.

 

The Church doesn't "frown" upon inter-faith marriages, but there are certainly certain conditions, etc. to be met.

God bless you, my child! :lol:

Uhh, it is the more traditional way.:sssh:

I was raised as a Catholic, but married Henry, who is a whiskEpiscopalian. When I was "received" into the Episcopal Church, I thought my Mom was going to cry for a week (of course she cries at the drop of a hat, so it didn't bother me too much). She got over it, and life is fine. Any bad traits that Henry has (and there are a lot) have nothing to do with her being from the Episcopal Church.

 

I figured since Henry's two brothers married Catholic girls and started attending Catholic churches, I'd try to balance the ledger and attend the Episcopal Church. The Catholic Church made out much better in that deal. To make it even worse the Episcopal Church is trying to trade me back to the Catholics for two bingo cards but the Catholics are trying to negotiate the deal down. Its nice to be wanted!

 

On a serious note, faith never factored into the decision of whom I dated or ultimately married.

Next question in my Catholic education. What is an annulment and what is the fallout of an annulment?

 

My limited understanding is that in an annulment, the wedding never occurred. How did it never occur if there are children involved?

Next question in my Catholic education. What is an annulment and what is the fallout of an annulment?

 

My limited understanding is that in an annulment, the wedding never occurred. How did it never occur if there are children involved?

A Catholic annulment is a declaration from a diocesan Tribunal that the marriage bond was less than such a covenant for life because it was lacking something necessary from the very beginning. One or both parties may have entered the marriage with good will, but lacked the openness, honesty, maturity, fully free choice, right motivation, emotional stability, or capacity to establish a community of life and love with another person. If an annulment is granted, then both parties are free to remarry in the Church, however, for pastoral reasons, counseling may be required prior to marriage in order to prevent the parties involved from repeating mistakes. The legitimacy of the children is NOT affected in any way. There was an assumption of marriage at the time; therefore the standing of children is never affected by an annulment.

A Catholic annulment is a declaration from a diocesan Tribunal that the marriage bond was less than such a covenant for life because it was lacking something necessary from the very beginning. One or both parties may have entered the marriage with good will, but lacked the openness, honesty, maturity, fully free choice, right motivation, emotional stability, or capacity to establish a community of life and love with another person. If an annulment is granted, then both parties are free to remarry in the Church, however, for pastoral reasons, counseling may be required prior to marriage in order to prevent the parties involved from repeating mistakes. The legitimacy of the children is NOT affected in any way. There was an assumption of marriage at the time; therefore the standing of children is never affected by an annulment.

 

WOW, I did not not know this, IMO, this is another method of man pushing his beliefs over what the bible says, I refer to Matthew 19:6 "Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder."

WOW, I did not not know this, IMO, this is another method of man pushing his beliefs over what the bible says, I refer to Matthew 19:6 "Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder."

 

Which leads me to question, what are your views of divorce and re-marriage?

 

In the Catholic Church, marriage is considered a one-time deal. Without an annullment, one is not free to divorce and remarry with the Church's approval. Even if you are allowed a civil divorce, it does not dissolve your marriage as far as the Church is concerned. An annullment is simply the Tribunal's ruling that there were, in fact, errors made in two people marrying. They don't issue them willy-nilly, either.

WOW, I did not not know this, IMO, this is another method of man pushing his beliefs over what the bible says, I refer to Matthew 19:6 "Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder."

You need to give the whole discussion on divorce to see how this verse fits. Matthew 19:1-12

 

When Jesus had finished saying these things, he left Galilee and went into the region of Judea to the other side of the Jordan. Large crowds followed him, and he healed them there.

 

Some Pharisees came to him to test him. They asked, "Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?"

 

"Haven't you read," he replied, "that at the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female,' and said, 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh'? So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate."

 

"Why then," they asked, "did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?"

 

Jesus replied, "Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery."

 

The disciples said to him, "If this is the situation between a husband and wife, it is better not to marry."

Jesus replied, "Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given. For some are eunuchs because they were born that way; others were made that way by men; and others have renounced marriagebecause of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it."

I don't think Jesus would want a person to stay together with his/her partner if they are having relations with another person. Divorce is very very hard and its causes pain in several areas. Jesus wants us happy and if it takes a Divorce to make it happen it will happen. Scripture...Matthew 19:9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery".

 

Paul also says somethings that has already been covered in 2nd Corinthians 6

Lots of divorces happen for reasons other than adultry.

 

What is the view of remarriage after such a divorce?

Which leads me to question, what are your views of divorce and re-marriage?

 

In the Catholic Church, marriage is considered a one-time deal. Without an annullment, one is not free to divorce and remarry with the Church's approval. Even if you are allowed a civil divorce, it does not dissolve your marriage as far as the Church is concerned. An annullment is simply the Tribunal's ruling that there were, in fact, errors made in two people marrying. They don't issue them willy-nilly, either.

Is there a Biblical basis for church annullments?

 

Again, not trying to attack the Catholic position but understand how they came up with it.

 

Also, this thread might be an interesting diversion at this point as what we think of as marriage and the church may think of as marriage may not be the same thing that God thinks of as marriage.

 

http://www.bluegrasspreps.com/showthread.php?t=103739&highlight=marriage

RockMom, name some other reasons. If there isn't the grounds for which Jesus mentioned there are no grounds or reasons for a Divorce. If there is a Divorce, for not the reason again in Matthew 19... they cannot remarry.

Is there a Biblical basis for church annullments?

 

Again, not trying to attack the Catholic position but understand how they came up with it.

 

Also, this thread might be an interesting diversion at this point as what we think of as marriage and the church may think of as marriage may not be the same thing that God thinks of as marriage.

 

http://www.bluegrasspreps.com/showthread.php?t=103739&highlight=marriage

Annulment is a complicated process in which the Church determines if an impediment was in place at the time of the wedding ceremony. In other words, they're not dissolving the marriage, which I think they would need a biblical basis for, but they're deciding if it ever happened in first place. There's also the Pauline Privelege, which I don't quite understand except as a legitimate reason for a Catholic to be divorced.