I think the following information sums up the reason for Indiana's success.

 

Rivals 150

 

2003

 

Indiana

 

#76 Kenneth Harris

#110 Justin Cage

 

Kentucky

 

None

 

2004

 

Indiana

 

#38 Robert Vaden

#77 AJ Ratliff

#80 James Hardy

#136 JR Angle

 

Kentucky

 

#146 Chris Lofton

 

2005

 

Indiana

 

#2 Josh McRoberts

#61 Dominic James

#79 Luke Zeller

 

Kentucky

 

#113 Jared Carter

 

2006

 

Indiana

 

#1 Greg Oden

#18 Mike Conley

#60 Jamil Tucker

#104 Luke Harangody

#122 Armon Bassett

#124 Tyrone Appleton

#130 Marquis Johnson

 

Kentucky

 

None

 

2007

 

Indiana

 

#2 Eric Gordon

#35 E'twain Moore

#41 JaJuan Johnson

#55 Jeff Teague

#71 Robbie Hummel

#72 Scott Martin

#85 Matt Howard

#142 Gary McGhee

 

Kentucky

 

None

 

 

Great info. Thanks. Thanks also to Westsider for the game results since 87. Now please let me ask a follow up question. Why do you think Indiana has recently developed so many Rival 150 players and Ky has not (or have we and they just have chosen not to play?)? I realize that Indiana has a greater population, but it seems the disparity in the number of Rival 150 players from each state is much greater than the disparity in population.

 

The reason I am pursuing this line of thought is that on the football forum, the proponents of classes have used in part the reasoning that by having more state champions, it has stimulated a lot of enthusiasm for football in Ky. Having more teams winning championships and more teams advancing into the playoffs, along with spring football, are reasons cited for the rather dramatic increase in the quality of high school football in Ky. Personally I agree with that reasoning and is one of the reasons I agree with the decision to go to 6 classes.

 

If that reasoning is accurate, wouldn't that also be applicable to basketball in Indiana? If they have dominated us since the split as a result of Indiana having many more Rival 150 players, is it out of the realm to wonder if having multiple classes of basketball has increased the quality of basketball players in Indiana due to increased enthusiasm for the sport?

 

If my reasoning is wrong, why do you think Indiana has so many more Rival 150 players? Can it just be the population difference?

 

Anyone have thoughts?

I think that population is part of it, but some of it is probably just luck. I'd say the chances of a Josh McRoberts, Greg Oden and Eric Gordon coming along in consecutive years from a state the size of Indiana is pretty rare. Those types of players are not a result of more competition due to increased classes. I think for whatever reason, KY is just having a dry spell of basketball talent. That should change somewhat next season as we ought to have at least 3 in the Rivals 150.

 

During the years I researches, only Rajon Rondo was in the Rivals 150 from Kentucky at a high position (about #24) and I don't think he played since he left for Oak Hill.

I think that population is part of it, but some of it is probably just luck. I'd say the chances of a Josh McRoberts, Greg Oden and Eric Gordon coming along in consecutive years from a state the size of Indiana is pretty rare. Those types of players are not a result of more competition due to increased classes. I think for whatever reason, KY is just having a dry spell of basketball talent. That should change somewhat next season as we ought to have at least 3 in the Rivals 150.

 

During the years I researches, only Rajon Rondo was in the Rivals 150 from Kentucky at a high position (about #24) and I don't think he played since he left for Oak Hill.

 

If it is due in part to bad luck and dry spells, then we've certainly had an extended streak of bad luck and a long dry spell:laugh: I'm still not convinced that multiple classes hasn't played a role. Do you think the reasoning used by fans in support of multiple classes in football is wrong or just not applicable to basketball, and if so, why?

I'm sure multiple classes would give more a feeling of accomplishment, etc. but as far as that translating to an all star game I doubt it would have any effect. Lately Indiana has been beating us with guys who will be NBA lottery picks. Until or unless Kentucky has players of the same caliber, I don't see classes making much difference.

 

I believe that Tennessee has more classes in football than does Kentucky, however, Kentucky has had the upper hand lately in that series. I still think it goes back to talent. And for whatever reason while the D1 basketball talent in Kentucky is down, in football it is likely at an all time high.

LETS PLAY FOOTBALL!

Classification has nothing to do with Indiana beating Kentucky. It is however about having better talent and Indiana has it over Kentucky, period.

 

Furthermore, classification is a dead subject because the KHSAA will never go to classification for basketball.

Classification has nothing to do with Indiana beating Kentucky. It is however about having better talent and Indiana has it over Kentucky, period.

 

Furthermore, classification is a dead subject because the KHSAA will never go to classification for basketball.[/QUOTE]

 

 

You may very well be right in your post. And you may very well be right in re the bolded part in particular. If however, there could be established a causal relationship between Indiana's recent domination in basketball and their going to classes, perhaps the KHSAA could be persuaded to look at the concept. I believe we are the only state (there may be one other) to not have classes in hoops. Either we are really smart and every body else is stupid, or the vice versa is true.

Most of the talent edge that Indiana enjoys is centered around players from the larger schools that, in my view, were the least affected by classification.

 

Again, the timing is more coincidental than anything else.

Are there any team photos online anywhere of both squads girls and boys teams and where each one is going to college? Thanks for any help.

 

I did a quick search and this was all that I found. I hope it helps.

 

http://www.anthemkyinallstars.com/

Classification has nothing to do with Indiana beating Kentucky. It is however about having better talent and Indiana has it over Kentucky, period.

 

Furthermore, classification is a dead subject because the KHSAA will never go to classification for basketball.[/QUOTE]

 

 

You may very well be right in your post. And you may very well be right in re the bolded part in particular. If however, there could be established a causal relationship between Indiana's recent domination in basketball and their going to classes, perhaps the KHSAA could be persuaded to look at the concept. I believe we are the only state (there may be one other) to not have classes in hoops. Either we are really smart and every body else is stupid, or the vice versa is true.

 

 

I don't think the KHSAA cares about Indiana's domination in the IN-KY All Star series. The KHSAA will not go to classification because of the tradition of the Sweet 16 and the money it generates from the state tournament.

Next year I believe Ky wins if Miller and Mackey play.