So on the surface it seems odd that the KDE has programs for some of its members but not one group. Unlike the broad group of groups (individuals/public companies/private businesses) that pay taxes, the private schools are part of the KDE. That is what's confusing to me.

I don't think that private schools are part of the KDE. I could be wrong but would like to see a link to some proof that they are. Because my understanding is that the requirements that the public schools have to go through for the KDE, the private schools have to do none of them.

 

Now there are educational accrediation places that colleges use to know that a student is coming from a school that has actually educated them but that is NOT KDE.

I don't think that private schools are part of the KDE. I could be wrong but would like to see a link to some proof that they are. Because my understanding is that the requirements that the public schools have to go through for the KDE, the private schools have to do none of them.

 

Now there are educational accrediation places that colleges use to know that a student is coming from a school that has actually educated them but that is NOT KDE.

 

From what I understand, you are correct.

The KDE does not have control over private schools. Of course, if the private school wishes to be accredited by the state, it must meet the criteria of KDE. However, for example, a private school can receive state accreditation by qualifying for accreditation with a separate private group such as ACSI. Several private schools in Kentucky have received state accreditation in that manner.

 

I am personally aware of one private school that received state accreditation in that manner. That particular school pays no attention to the "wishes" of the KDE other than in regard to its membership in KHSAA. Nonetheless, its graduates have no problem being accepted by any and all colleges and it has its share of Governor's Scholars.

Private schoolers pay good money not be a part of the General population, and when there is something you can't get or might lose all of the sudden you want in. Get over it. Go to public school save yourself a couple grand and then you can apply for a cheap computer.

Private schoolers pay good money not be a part of the General population, and when there is something you can't get or might lose all of the sudden you want in. Get over it. Go to public school save yourself a couple grand and then you can apply for a cheap computer.

 

No, thank you. We'll continue to buy our own computers and to help subsidize the public schools. In the end, you get what you pay for as they say.

No, thank you. We'll continue to buy our own computers and to help subsidize the public schools. In the end, you get what you pay for as they say.

 

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My point exactly, Mr. SilverShadow. If you public school people weren't asleep at the wheel, maybe you could do a better job of spending the obscene amount of tax dollars, federal and state, that flow into your coffers. I would guess that Lou Dobbs and Jim Cramer would agree that the investment is not justified by the return.

My point exactly, Mr. SilverShadow. If you public school people weren't asleep at the wheel, maybe you could do a better job of spending the obscene amount of tax dollars, federal and state, that flow into your coffers. I would guess that Lou Dobbs and Jim Cramer would agree that the investment is not justified by the return.

 

As a public school teacher (I guess that makes me a "public school person" ) I can tell you that my students are amongst the most prepared for college in my area. They all come back and tell me that they have to help teach their new college friends how to do chemistry and physics, including ones that went to private schools. I, too, went to a public school (the same one that I teach at) and I most certainly don't say this to toot my own horn, but that of public schools - I received a full scholarship to college and graduated at the top of my class as a chemistry major - all on public schooling.

 

When it comes to schooling, it is not "you get what you pay for", it is, as a school, you get what you put into it.

My point exactly, Mr. SilverShadow. If you public school people weren't asleep at the wheel, maybe you could do a better job of spending the obscene amount of tax dollars, federal and state, that flow into your coffers. I would guess that Lou Dobbs and Jim Cramer would agree that the investment is not justified by the return.

 

Do you have one single piece of evidence to back that up? The CPE (council on post secondary education) does a report every year - you can look it up pretty easily, that touts how students from all of the KY high schools - who attend in state colleges - fare. It also gives an overall average on their ACT scores. Public schools perform better than private schools.

 

The other thing is can you tell me about the "obscene" amount of money the public schools get - 'cause I sure ain't seein' it.

My point exactly, Mr. SilverShadow. If you public school people weren't asleep at the wheel, maybe you could do a better job of spending the obscene amount of tax dollars, federal and state, that flow into your coffers. I would guess that Lou Dobbs and Jim Cramer would agree that the investment is not justified by the return.

 

I take it you didn't hear about the U.S. Dept of Education study released last year which reported that public schools actually outperformed private schools in several areas when demographic factors such as family income and race/ethnicity were controlled for. And you don't even have to take the study at face value. You can observe that standardized test achievement levels at public schools with rigorous academics and stringent expectations for parental involvement are entirely comparable with results from the best private schools.

Private schoolers pay good money not be a part of the General population, and when there is something you can't get or might lose all of the sudden you want in. Get over it. Go to public school save yourself a couple grand and then you can apply for a cheap computer.

 

 

Ummm....I'm pretty sure private schoolers as you call us, are part of the general population.

 

BTW, why would I want a cheap computer when I can buy myself a good one?

I take it you didn't hear about the U.S. Dept of Education study released last year which reported that public schools actually outperformed private schools in several areas when demographic factors such as family income and race/ethnicity were controlled for. And you don't even have to take the study at face value. You can observe that standardized test achievement levels at public schools with rigorous academics and stringent expectations for parental involvement are entirely comparable with results from the best private schools.

 

Of course he didn't hear about it because it was not really touted to a high degree. The Bush leadership did not want to make that point with it. But, its OK the information is out there. Regarding KS, it is easy to operate under false assumptions and preconceived facts. The portion of the population that has to attack one to justify the other is typically the loudest but always the most in error. Can't wait to hear the dispute from KS on the academic performance facts. With that a :sleep: is appropriate.

I'll only speak for the private schools with which I'm familiar, but I absolutely feel that every penny I paid in tuition, books, and other fees was 100% an investment in my children's future. I am in no way disappointed or feel cheated by the education my children received.

 

With regard to the study that is being cited here, I applaud the public schools for that achievement. However, I think a caveat should be that the US Study is pretty broad, and that while in the US as a whole public schools may be outperforming private schools I don't think that the study can be upheld as an example in every community. In fact, I think it's dangerous to do so. The same applies to assuming that all private schools outperform public schools. Each person must look at the situation in their community, whatever city and whatever state, and make the choice that is right for their child (where choice is available and allowed).

 

Both sides of the argument here have good points, but both sides are trying to lump their respective type of school (public or private) into too big of a group, IMO.

 

Now, with regard to the program the KDE is offering. I don't think that it should be offered by the KDE to private schools. This is a program by the Kentucky Department of Education. Other than having to meet KDE requirements for graduation, I don't think we're are under of the auspecies of the KDE.

 

That's just my opinion, and may not be popular, but I feel I made the choice to put my kids in the schools I did for reasons much different than cheap computer software and components. And, I'd make that choice again and again and again.

Of course he didn't hear about it because it was not really touted to a high degree. The Bush leadership did not want to make that point with it. But, its OK the information is out there. Regarding KS, it is easy to operate under false assumptions and preconceived facts. The portion of the population that has to attack one to justify the other is typically the loudest but always the most in error. Can't wait to hear the dispute from KS on the academic performance facts. With that a :sleep: is appropriate.

So is Bush the ONLY politician that could get on national television and promote this study or the only one you like to lay all the blame at their feet? I haven't heard ONE DEMOCRAT Presidential candidate mention this study either. And there is what 32 of them?

I'll only speak for the private schools with which I'm familiar, but I absolutely feel that every penny I paid in tuition, books, and other fees was 100% an investment in my children's future. I am in no way disappointed or feel cheated by the education my children received.

 

With regard to the study that is being cited here, I applaud the public schools for that achievement. However, I think a caveat should be that the US Study is pretty broad, and that while in the US as a whole public schools may be outperforming private schools I don't think that the study can be upheld as an example in every community. In fact, I think it's dangerous to do so. The same applies to assuming that all private schools outperform public schools. Each person must look at the situation in their community, whatever city and whatever state, and make the choice that is right for their child (where choice is available and allowed).

 

Both sides of the argument here have good points, but both sides are trying to lump their respective type of school (public or private) into too big of a group, IMO.

 

Now, with regard to the program the KDE is offering. I don't think that it should be offered by the KDE to private schools. This is a program by the Kentucky Department of Education. Other than having to meet KDE requirements for graduation, I don't think we're are under of the auspecies of the KDE.

 

That's just my opinion, and may not be popular, but I feel I made the choice to put my kids in the schools I did for reasons much different than cheap computer software and components. And, I'd make that choice again and again and again.

I graduated from the school I now teach at. NOT ONE TIME, did my public school education ever let me down in college. And that was Berea College that is consistently rated ABOVE Centre and Transy.

 

No one I have ever personally talked to has ever indicated to me that their education from Pendleton County High School has ever let them down.

 

And yet according to the politicians and their testing, we are doing okay in some areas and need improvement in others.