Its a publicly-funded negotiated benefit.

 

The arguments in here are really well beyond anything relevant. To argue a private entity to should be entitled to a public benefit is absurd. Why not offer the reduced price software to private corporations? After all, they pay taxes that support the schools, too. There is no end to the potential argument. Public money supports public projects. Private money supports private projects. Its not a religion thing, a discrimination thing, a level playing field thing, its a law thing.

 

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Hearsay, are private schools (and I'm truly asking) part of the KDE?

Educate me on what you mean by a "bid policy."

 

I believe he's talking about building projects, such as expansions or other major improvements to existing buildings, or new buildings. Those (anything over a certain amount, the number of which fails me right now, since I haven't covered an education beat in a couple of years) must be advertised in the local paper of record and open for whatever contractor wishes to submit a bid for how much they can complete the project. Lowest bid usually wins, but not always (this feature has been abused mightily over the years by politically-minded school boards).

Hearsay, are private schools (and I'm truly asking) part of the KDE?

 

Their accreditation is subject to KDE approval, but they are not overseen by KDE.

Private schools are not under the control KDe other than in regard to areas in which they choose to be subject to KDE rules. An example would be the KHSAA. By being a member of KHSAA, private schools agree to adher to the rules of that organization. The KHSAA is under the control, more or less, of KDE.

Private schools are not under the control KDe other than in regard to areas in which they choose to be subject to KDE rules. An example would be the KHSAA. By being a member of KHSAA, private schools agree to adher to the rules of that organization. The KHSAA is under the control, more or less, of KDE.

 

From what I understand the KDE sets minimum standards that must be followed for any school to operate. They of course can't/won't tell the schools what they can or can't do on religious matters, but if you don't meet certain standers in math, reading etc. you won't be operating a school. At least this is my understanding....

 

Might have something to do with that whole pesky separation or church and state thing.

 

BTW, from this morning Cincinnati Enquirer in an article about the Conner graduation.

 

WHAT SHE SAID: "I think more of you are fanning than are listening," as the crowd tried to circulate some air with their programs in the stuffy gym. While she lamented that she should have prepared a speech, she proved an eloquent off-the-cuff speaker and led the class of 2007 in prayer.

 

Oops, seems the public school in Boone County want it both way's, meaning being public but being able to pray too....and that includes the Ryle baseball team that says a prayer prior to the start of each game. In no way am I against either, and in fact I think it is great, but what gives? Isn't this sort of a pesky church and state thing to pray? :sssh: :lol:

 

Where is the uproar, the complaints, the level playing field. We Private religious school parents are upset that you can pray when you aren't suppose to, it isn't a level playing field. You get state funding and pray too, so why can't we? :D :lol:

From what I understand the KDE sets minimum standards that must be followed for any school to operate. They of course can't/won't tell the schools what they can or can't do on religious matters, but if you don't meet certain standers in math, reading etc. you won't be operating a school. At least this is my understanding....

 

 

 

BTW, from this morning Cincinnati Enquirer in an article about the Conner graduation.

 

WHAT SHE SAID: "I think more of you are fanning than are listening," as the crowd tried to circulate some air with their programs in the stuffy gym. While she lamented that she should have prepared a speech, she proved an eloquent off-the-cuff speaker and led the class of 2007 in prayer.

 

Oops, seems the public school in Boone County want it both way's, meaning being public but being able to pray too....and that includes the Ryle baseball team that says a prayer prior to the start of each game. In no way am I against either, and in fact I think it is great, but what gives? Isn't this sort of a pesky church and state thing to pray? :sssh: :lol:

 

Where is the uproar, the complaints, the level playing field. We Private religious school parents are upset that you can pray when you aren't suppose to, it isn't a level playing field. You get state funding and pray too, so why can't we? :D :lol:

 

The prayer was led by a student, not a school administrator/teacher. Your church/state separation thing still works out, because the SCHOOL is not promoting it.

Its a publicly-funded negotiated benefit.

 

The arguments in here are really well beyond anything relevant. To argue a private entity to should be entitled to a public benefit is absurd. Why not offer the reduced price software to private corporations? After all, they pay taxes that support the schools, too. There is no end to the potential argument. Public money supports public projects. Private money supports private projects. Its not a religion thing, a discrimination thing, a level playing field thing, its a law thing.

 

By the way the Founding Fathers did NOT contemplate public education or nationalized education in any way, shape, or form anywhere in the Constitution. ALL schools at that time were either private schools or locally subsidized schools ONLY. Public education is as much a subsidized welfare benefit as anything else we have in this country. Subject for another thread but I wanted to make note of it.

 

May have misspoke here...let me insert "forefathers".

 

The idea behind public schools evolves from the term "common schools".

 

Common schools were created as institutions where all children, regardless of economic or social conditions, could obtain pulic instruction free of charge. The costs were to be shouldered by the public through taxation. The instruction was to benefit all in common and the costs were to be shared by all in common.

 

The system of public common schools as envisaged by our forefathers and circumscribed in each state consititution represent society's best effort to broadly diffuse knowledge to effectuate the end of a desirable government.

Unifying the people through education was recognized as a precedent to a strong and viable democracy.

The creation of "common schools" was a response to the inadequacies of private education. Common schools were designed to remedy three major shortcomings: 1. The private schools did not constitute a system but were created and funded by different means by various initiatives for private objectives. There were no state systems at this time. 2. Private/Parochial schools were not normally free. Poor families struggled financially in order to enroll their children in these schools. 3. The private and parochial schools had special motivations of religious, social, ethnic, economic, and sometimes racial separation.

Actually families that were to send their children to private schools were hit with a special tax. They were called "Rate Bills". These families were assessed in proportion to the number of children sent to school.

You would see these "rate bills" outside of New England...based on wealth of the family.

 

These inadequacies (private/parochial school objectives) led to the conclusion that there was a great need for common schools.

 

You can find evidence of this in the late 1700's and in the Ordinance of 1787 which implied that education was a state responsibility and virtual aspect of a democratic society. The words of the Ordinance encapsulates the political and educational philosphies of the nation's founders. I would say at this point in time it was definitely contemplated, but ultimately a state issue.

 

From there it has evolved in many fashions thoough funding and the evolution of high schools and curriculum.

Hearsay, are private schools (and I'm truly asking) part of the KDE?

 

Yes, the KDE's mission is to serve ALL students. Private schools have the right to opt out of certain curriculum matters.

Private schools do not take CATS testing or prepare portfolios as the CATS testing requires. They are not judged or mandated to take this tests.

 

The bid portion is more than just building projects.

 

At one time, we could not go to the Dollar Store and buy a glue stick with school funds. We could and did buy them out of our own pocket and NOT be reimbursed for them but if we needed a glue stick we had to go to the state-approved vendor list and order a glue stick from that list. They have lightened up on that.

 

Although we still are to only purchase larger items off of the state-approved list. For example, for the basketball program, Walmart (NOT ON THE STATE APPROVED LIST) had a great deal on DVD players and televisions. Wanted to purchase one for the basketball program. Had to get special approval to go OFF the state approved vendor list to purchase it from Walmart. Had to prove that I could not get that off of the list at that price.

Yes, the KDE's mission is to serve ALL students. Private schools have the right to opt out of certain curriculum matters.

Not just curriculum matters but what students they serve. By law, public schools in some form or fashion have to educate ALL STUDENTS, meaning those that are AP students, resource students, students with autism, MS, MD, deaf students, students required by the courts to be in attendance after getting released from jail, regular students, non-English speaking students, etc, etc, etc.

 

Private schools chose whether to teach these students or not.

Private schools do not take CATS testing or prepare portfolios as the CATS testing requires. They are not judged or mandated to take this tests.

 

The bid portion is more than just building projects.

 

At one time, we could not go to the Dollar Store and buy a glue stick with school funds. We could and did buy them out of our own pocket and NOT be reimbursed for them but if we needed a glue stick we had to go to the state-approved vendor list and order a glue stick from that list. They have lightened up on that.

 

Although we still are to only purchase larger items off of the state-approved list. For example, for the basketball program, Walmart (NOT ON THE STATE APPROVED LIST) had a great deal on DVD players and televisions. Wanted to purchase one for the basketball program. Had to get special approval to go OFF the state approved vendor list to purchase it from Walmart. Had to prove that I could not get that off of the list at that price.

 

I will be starting a thread in the near future regarding the elimination of CATS testing. I have specific thoughts.

I will be starting a thread in the near future regarding the elimination of CATS testing. I have specific thoughts.

 

Why wait? I will be really interested in your ideas.

For those that are, I would assume that it would be somehow illegal by someone's standards for the government to provide them this benefit.

 

Someone out there would complain that the government was somehow endorsing Christianity if they allowed Calvary Christian to participate in this program. It is horse hockey but someone would.:irked:

 

It suprises me someone hasn't already contacted the ACLU on this..

Yes, the KDE's mission is to serve ALL students. Private schools have the right to opt out of certain curriculum matters.

 

 

So on the surface it seems odd that the KDE has programs for some of its members but not one group. Unlike the broad group of groups (individuals/public companies/private businesses) that pay taxes, the private schools are part of the KDE. That is what's confusing to me.

That stuff is more expensive than the APPLE store and Newegg so I wouldn't be too upset.