Congratulations Elliott Co. You are representing the 16th well.

Well I think the final foul count was 31 fouls for Shelby Valley 16 for Elliott. Extermely onesided and when it happens like this something can't be right. Good luck to Elliott and congrats for moving on but I find that this game wasn't called completly fair

I listened to the game....the difference was Elliott Co was NOT slapping people in the face,,blocking with knees, knocking people down while they were shooting. Elliott Co played great, SV ...all they wanted to do was foul when they got behind.....P.S. Yes...An eliiott Co player WAS SLAPPED in the face.......Just so happened to be that kids fifth foul.... the "Young ens" just flat ran the legs off of SV......

I have to suspect that the 15th region was pretty weak this year. Shelby Valley looked like a good team, but I can't figure out how they were 29-3.

The reason it was lopsided is because Shelby Valley was ran to death and started getting lazy on defense and reaching. The officials were fair. The better team won.

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I have to suspect that the 15th region was pretty weak this year. Shelby Valley looked like a good team, but I can't figure out how they were 29-3.

Yeah the 15th is not what it was 3-4 years ago, Well you know how it used to be you played in the 15th, But really the talent level player wise and the Athletes in the region are just not there anymore. I don't think that even the standout players would have started 3-4 years ago and probabily wouldn't have seen alot of minutes. Paintsville was probabily the best team in the region, by far the most talented, and could have played with anyone in the sweet 16 but choked as usual in the regional tournament. They Beat Elliott County 60-53 and lost to South Laurel 57-58. But besides that there wasn't much. Allen Central was in the final 4 of the region and 1 shot away from playing for a title and they probabily had less talent individually on their team than they have EVER had if that is any indication of how weak the region was this season. Shelby Valley is going to be awfully good in a couple years however, so I guess you can say the future looks bright in the 15th.:thumb:

With 4:07 to go in the fourth Quarter the foul count was SV 12....Elliot 4... Elliot shot the double bonus a few minutes before Valley entered the bonus.. So the foul count was lopsised before SV started fouling at the end...Valley does play a sloppy aggressive defense and by watching the other tourney games I think it caught them off gaurd that so many whistles were being blown. The second game started about 40 minutes late because of all of the whistles. That being said SV coaching staff has to be able to make adjustments to fit that particular game: go to a zone, takes off the press, or just pull back on the pressure so your best players can be on the floor in the 4th quarter. For some of the other things being said SV did play a quality schedule outside and throughout the mountains. They did not play well and before next season they must become more mentally tough so they can handle adversity better. Something that has not been mentioned and I think the key for Elliot was the defense they played on freshmen point gaurd Justice. They kept the ball out of his hands, not that he played a bad game but they forced him into quiet game. After the first quarter SV probably didnt have the starters on the floor together for a couple of minutes so for people outside the Valley, they are better than what they showed last night. All that being said they could have cut it to 3 with 4 minutes to go and blew a cherry.... Elliot took over from that point and closed the game out. Congratulations to them for the win...I think the coaches should put these two young teams on the schedule for the next couple of years.

There are 2 more "young" teams in the 16th you need to check into getting on the SV schedule: Fairview and Rose Hill.

Yes, Fairview and Rose Hill both have very young but excellent teams coming back next year.

Sounds like a Billy Hicks supporter.

In 1994 Harlan had the 13th region tournament stolen. Billy Hicks was not the coach, Mike Jones was.

Yeah the 15th is not what it was 3-4 years ago, Well you know how it used to be you played in the 15th, But really the talent level player wise and the Athletes in the region are just not there anymore. I don't think that even the standout players would have started 3-4 years ago and probabily wouldn't have seen alot of minutes. Paintsville was probabily the best team in the region, by far the most talented, and could have played with anyone in the sweet 16 but choked as usual in the regional tournament. They Beat Elliott County 60-53 and lost to South Laurel 57-58. But besides that there wasn't much. Allen Central was in the final 4 of the region and 1 shot away from playing for a title and they probabily had less talent individually on their team than they have EVER had if that is any indication of how weak the region was this season. Shelby Valley is going to be awfully good in a couple years however, so I guess you can say the future looks bright in the 15th.:thumb:

I agree with you to a point, but there was not even an abundance of great talent even 3 or 4 years ago, but I will highly disagree with your assessment of the Paintsville squad as far as them being able to contend with anybody in the Sweet 16.

 

I have always scratched my head on your continuous hype as to the extreme amount of talent on that squad. That is one of the most over-rated and over hyped groups to ever play in the 15th region, and in all fairness it has not been completely the kids's fault. What they lack is an inside presence and ATHLETICISM. You can compensate for a lack of heigth sometimes with quickness and strength, but overall they have neither and they certainly dont play within a team concept on top of that. They are just a competetive team in a collective world of 14th ,15th and 16th region weak teams, nothing more. Not trying to down the Paintsville players , the program or anything of the sort, but perhaps maybe one of the reasons that they fall short of some expectations is that they have it in their heads (because of posts like these) that they are better than they actually are. It certainly shows on the floor at times. From the very beginnings of these kids high school careers they have been touted as the next super group because they had the simple fortune of getting the opportunity to play on the varsity level at that early age, simply because the Paintsville program was really depleated of upper classman talent and Bill Mike just had no option as to put anyone else on the floor. It certainly wasn't because those guys just beat upperclassmen out,.....there was no body else. It has not been fair to these kids to parallel them with Bill Mike's first really good team in '84 or '85 with the group of Couch, Pelphrey, etc., and when all 5 players started as freshmen. This group is no where close to having the talent that that group had, but they were unfairly projected to be. The basis for my comments is that this group was no better in 8th grade, (and in a lot of cases not as good) ,as the respective groups their own ages at Johnson Co. Middle , Dorton, and Virgie. The reason why those groups didn't get continous hype was because those kids had to wait their turns on upper classmen to graduate before they got their chance to play at the varsity level. As you can see now that proof has surfaced.

 

Posts like yours have really unfairly placed too lofty of expectations on a group of very young KIDS at the time. As you can see now they are not better right now as upperclassmen than some other very young squads they they are now playing against such as Shelby Valley or Elliott Co. Yes, I know they beat Elliott in the All "A", but with Ferguson ( Elliott Co) at full strength that game would have turned out entirely different, IMO.