Except that privates have won 5 of the last 6.

But then, look at state titles. A private has won only one of the last 14 boys. Privates have won the last 6 girls. To what do you attribute this apparent inconsistency between private lack of success in boys and private success in girls? By the way, if one does not use the six year cutoff point, prior to that privates had won only 2 of the previous 24 girls titles.

But then, look at state titles. A private has won only one of the last 14 boys. Privates have won the last 6 girls. To what do you attribute this apparent inconsistency between private lack of success in boys and private success in girls? By the way, if one does not use the six year cutoff point, prior to that privates had won only 2 of the previous 24 girls titles.

 

So if it were reversed, and the public schools had won the last 5 out of 6, that would be OK?

 

Well, if you go with the mindset of the TBERS, it only matters what has happened the last few years.:sssh: :lol: :lol:

 

I had started a thread with that exact topic several months back. We discussed several things but not sure we ever came to a reason.

 

The point was made that if the domination on the girls side had been occurring on boys side, this subject would have been raised beforehand.

Well, if you go with the mindset of the TBERS, it only matters what has happened the last few years.:sssh: :lol: :lol:

 

I had started a thread with that exact topic several months back. We discussed several things but not sure we ever came to a reason.

 

The point was made that if the domination on the girls side had been occurring on boys side, this subject would have been raised beforehand.

 

 

I still contend that private school girls sports, especially those in single-sex schools, benefit from the support they receive from their school community. In addition, I also still contend that the emphasis of girls sports in private grade schools plays a huge role in their performance at the high school level.

I still contend that private school girls sports, especially those in single-sex schools, benefit from the support they receive from their school community. In addition, I also still contend that the emphasis of girls sports in private grade schools plays a huge role in their performance at the high school level.

 

Rockmom, if that is accurate, privates have won the last 6 girls state titles but prior to that privates had won only 2 of the previous 24 girls titles. Was there less "emphasis of girls sports in private grade schools (which) plays a huge role in their performance at the high school level" during the period from about 1984 through 2000? Or less support? Or both?

Rockmom, if that is accurate, privates have won the last 6 girls state titles but prior to that privates had won only 2 of the previous 24 girls titles. Was there less "emphasis of girls sports in private grade schools (which) plays a huge role in their performance at the high school level" during the period from about 1984 through 2000? Or less support? Or both?

 

When I was in grade school (a long time ago! ) there wasn't as much emphasis on girls sports as there is in the last 20 years. I was in grade school pre-1980. My kids were in grade school from 92-2000-ish.

 

I'd say the 80's and 90's were building years. Does that make sense?

If you believe public high schools don't recruit, would you like to buy a bridgy I own or some nice swampland?

AMEN brother, AMEN.

First and foremost the "All-A" Classic is not a state tournament, it is a statewide tournament. It is not run by the KHSAA although I have seen many teams that win it declare themselves state champions and even go so far as to get rings.

 

Second as I recall the "All-A" classic was the creation of private schools in Northern Kentucky. Are the public schools now going to try to take this over?

Just because it is not run by the Khsaa doesn't mean it isn't a state tournament. Every school but one that was eligible participated this year. This is the only way that most small schools have of ever REALLY having a chance to say they played in a state tournament. The issue of classification was brought up by NKY small schools some time back and was shot down. There are more large schools than small schools, so you know the vote would never be favorable. I would love to see classification, but "it ain't gonna happen". Frankly, I 'm just very happy the individuals who run the All A do it, because it is the only way most small schools have of ever getting some to "dance".

The majority of those Indiana folks that wouldn't agree with #1 and # 2 would be adult fans of basketball. But guess what: high school sports are not for adults and the KHSAA shouldn't give a hoot in hades about what adults think. I'd be willing to bet a dollar to a donut that if you polled the kids on the teams that won the Indiana bball championships, a large majority of them would say they absolutely loved Indiana going to classes in bball. And high schools sports are for and about the kids, not "has been" or "never were" adults. If going to classes in bball hurts the Sweet 16, who cares as long as it is good for the players. There is simply no logical reason to have classes in football and track, and not have classes in bball. None.

 

And for all the supposed discontent of Hoosiers with the classes, one thing to ponder is: has going to classes in Indiana helped improve the quality of basketbal? I don't follow Indiana bball too closely, so perhaps some one more knowledgeable could fill us in, but were the Ky All Star teams more competitive with the Indiana All Stars before Indiana went to the class system? It seems like to me that we used to be competitive, but recently they've owned us. Is it possible that going to classes has helped improve the popularity and thus the quality of Indiana basketball while we have stagnated? Opinions anyone?

 

While I agree that the adult population of Indiana is oppossed to the class system I think you would be surprised at the number of student and student basketball players that would like one champion. And I would guess that Kentucky might be the same way. Some student-athletes would favor a class system and some want the Sweet 16 to remain intact.

 

To make the leap that Indiana basketball has improved since classification based on the All-Star results is quite a leap. I contend that the quality of Kentucky basketball has gone down since Indiana went to the class system ...........and it is due to the fact that the quality of football in the state of Kentucky continues to rise. Kentucky, with or without basketball classification, is becoming more and more of a football state.

We have tread after thread arguing "equity" in football, but there is very rarely an "equity" thread in basketball.

 

There are an awful lot of hypocrites in this state.

While I agree that the adult population of Indiana is oppossed to the class system I think you would be surprised at the number of student and student basketball players that would like one champion. And I would guess that Kentucky might be the same way. Some student-athletes would favor a class system and some want the Sweet 16 to remain intact.

 

To make the leap that Indiana basketball has improved since classification based on the All-Star results is quite a leap. I contend that the quality of Kentucky basketball has gone down since Indiana went to the class system ...........and it is due to the fact that the quality of football in the state of Kentucky continues to rise. Kentucky, with or without basketball classification, is becoming more and more of a football state.

 

With all due respect, I may be surprised, then again you may also.

 

And I made no such leap. I asked if it was possible that Indiana's recent dominance may be caused by the fact that they have gone to multiple classes. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to recognize that teams experiencing success (success like making deep runs in playoffs or winning state championships) create more excitement in their programs (maybe its a coincidence that Ryle has over a 100 kids coming out for spring football for the first time, but I think their making it to the state championship game just may have something to do with it). If you have multiple basketball classes and multiple state champions, I believe the basketball programs would attract more interest. Can I prove that belief, no but I do think that the increase in popularity of football is due, in part to the decision to go to 4 classes in 74 or 75 and going to 6 classes will help it become even more popular. Spring football has also had a great effect also.

 

If you are right that the popularity and growth of football in Ky has had a negative effect on basketball, perhaps the basketball advocates in this state may want to do what they can to make basketball more attractive to the kids (like more state champions for example). Then again, the purists and traditionalists can insist on not changing the format and watch things continue to deteroriate. Even though I'm a football guy, I'd rather not see that happen however.

 

Either way, if we are getting waxed because Indiana basketball is getting better (perhaps because of the multiple classes) or because our basketball is getting worse because of the growth of football, in Ky, something needs to be done to make basketball more attractive to the kids. One thing is certain: the KHSAA will not act to pull back football to make it less attractive. The geni is out of the bottle and isn't going back. So basketball advocates better be thinking as to how they can make basketball more attractive to the kids.

 

And I'm sorry if I feel that the biggest advocates of keeping the Sweet 16 the way it is are the adult fans who take off a week, go to Lex and have a blast (and I'm glad they do), I just don't think we make high school athletic decisions based on what adults want.

When I was in grade school (a long time ago! ) there wasn't as much emphasis on girls sports as there is in the last 20 years. I was in grade school pre-1980. My kids were in grade school from 92-2000-ish.

 

I'd say the 80's and 90's were building years. Does that make sense?

 

Now, Rockmom. given that they say you don't look a day over 21, grade school wasn't that long ago!:thumb:

We have tread after thread arguing "equity" in football, but there is very rarely an "equity" thread in basketball.

 

There are an awful lot of hypocrites in this state.

 

Indeed, Oldbird, if there is one thing I have learned is that it is whose ox is gored.

You could still possibly play a Sweet 16 format w/a class system and still make your $$$!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It could be done, it really could!!!

 

It would take a complete rehaul, but it could be beneficial to the state's basketball in the long run

 

Ok how? You tell me how you rent out Rupp Arena for weeks and turn a profit. Oh, you won't play the smaller school tournament at Rupp? Oh that won't happen either, as the smaller school would scream bloddy murder at playing at a lesser sight.....

 

Have you been to a football State Championship A, AA, AAA and seen the small crowds at the Pizza Box? Only the AAAA has any large crowds.....

With all due respect, I may be surprised, then again you may also.

 

And I made no such leap. I asked if it was possible that Indiana's recent dominance may be caused by the fact that they have gone to multiple classes. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to recognize that teams experiencing success (success like making deep runs in playoffs or winning state championships) create more excitement in their programs (maybe its a coincidence that Ryle has over a 100 kids coming out for spring football for the first time, but I think their making it to the state championship game just may have something to do with it). If you have multiple basketball classes and multiple state champions, I believe the basketball programs would attract more interest. Can I prove that belief, no but I do think that the increase in popularity of football is due, in part to the decision to go to 4 classes in 74 or 75 and going to 6 classes will help it become even more popular. Spring football has also had a great effect also.

 

If you are right that the popularity and growth of football in Ky has had a negative effect on basketball, perhaps the basketball advocates in this state may want to do what they can to make basketball more attractive to the kids (like more state champions for example). Then again, the purists and traditionalists can insist on not changing the format and watch things continue to deteroriate. Even though I'm a football guy, I'd rather not see that happen however.

 

Either way, if we are getting waxed because Indiana basketball is getting better (perhaps because of the multiple classes) or because our basketball is getting worse because of the growth of football, in Ky, something needs to be done to make basketball more attractive to the kids. One thing is certain: the KHSAA will not act to pull back football to make it less attractive. The geni is out of the bottle and isn't going back. So basketball advocates better be thinking as to how they can make basketball more attractive to the kids.

 

And I'm sorry if I feel that the biggest advocates of keeping the Sweet 16 the way it is are the adult fans who take off a week, go to Lex and have a blast (and I'm glad they do), I just don't think we make high school athletic decisions based on what adults want.

 

I think we agree that KY football is over-taking KY basketball. Now how to fix that I don't know and I don't really have all that much interest in it. Just as high school baseball is nowhere near what it once was I just chalk it up to various factors. If the class system would be good for KY high school basketball then I wish the schools would vote it in.

 

But I also understand the tradition of the Sweet 16 and all the week involves. Whatever happens a lot of people won't like it.

Football is king, at least here in the 'Ville.