^^^Except that the UK job is the top job in the basketball world...

Was

There you go making up stuff again. No one is saying were are always going to be 96-98. No one is even saying anything remotely resembling that. :rolleyes:

So take away those 2 championships and the 2 in the 3 year run of the 40's and that leaves 3 national championships in about 50 years. That works out to be a national championship every 17 years. We are in the midst of one of those runs. Seems like pretty close to normal for the UK program.

 

BRB, you need to remember I am on record of saying that it is time for Tubby to move on as it was for Huggins. The atmosphere among fans is so poor, whether deservedly or not, is irrelevant, that it would be best for all.

 

MY point is that UK fans think some coach is going to come in here and all will be hunky dory and that won't happen. UK fans will be upset with the NEXT coach too. Billy D goes through another 5 year stretch of first weekend flameouts and they will want his head on a platter too. And yet, that is what his record indicates and UK fans think that would be great to get that coach in here.

 

6 years of close to double digit losses and first round flameouts and then win one title is better than 4 years of double digit losses and 4 advancements past the first round including two Elite 8 appearances.

 

My point is that Tubby's and Billy D's success at coaching, Tubby's is better. And yet, the UK faithful would choose Billy D as their replacement.

 

If you are going to chalk up his national title to the mantra of IT WAS HIS PLAYERS, than you also have to chalk up the TWO FIRST ROUND EXITS (Tubby has none.) and the 3 2ND ROUND EXITS up to the players that he recruited. His players that HE RECRUITED have had SUCCES AND FAILURE.

 

Tubby's players that HE RECRUITED have had SUCCESS (two Elite 8 appearances) and FAILURE.

He lost to LSU without Glenn Davis and for all intent and purposes was blown out and we have learned through the UK threads that this is unacceptable.

 

He lost to UT at UT and Florida was for all intent and purposes blown out in that game. And we have learned that is not acceptable in the UK threads.

 

They lost to Vandy in a game they were for all intent and purposes beaten soundly. And we have learned that is not acceptable in the UK threads.

 

And all of this as what should be a #1 team in the nation.

 

Billy with all parts returning from a national championship team was not able to run the gamut and have an undefeated SEC season. Something that Tubby was ABLE to do. Since he cannot match Tubby's success with what is considered by so many of the UK faithful as a better recruiting job than Tubby has ever done, he must not be as good of a coach as Tubby.

 

So based upon the grumblings of the UK faithful, Billy D should not be considered a candidate if Tubby was to leave.:sssh:

UK is on a 5 game, soon to be 6 game, losing streak to UF. They are on a 4 game losing streak to Vandy. That is what UK fans are upset about. It's not that losing to any team in the SEC is unacceptable, it's losing to any team 2-3 years straight that is unacceptable. Beating UK is no longer an upset for any team in the SEC.

 

Yes, if you compare Tubby's record over the past 10 years to any coach in the country. That isn't the problem. Look at the trend over the last 5 years. It is hard to argue the program has been on a decline while Florida's is rising.

^^^Except that the UK job is the top job in the basketball world...

Huh, Rick Pitino said it was Boston.

 

I think that is a view that is mostly held by UK fans.

Lame...UK will have more losses over the last 2 years than anyone...25 LOSSES

 

 

And Tubby has still not taken any player he ever recruited to a Final 4...

Saul Smith was a freshman on the 98 championship team. I would guess he recruited him.

UK is on a 5 game, soon to be 6 game, losing streak to UF. They are on a 4 game losing streak to Vandy. That is what UK fans are upset about. It's not that losing to any team in the SEC is unacceptable, it's losing to any team 2-3 years straight that is unacceptable. Beating UK is no longer an upset for any team in the SEC.

 

Yes, if you compare Tubby's record over the past 10 years to any coach in the country. That isn't the problem. Look at the trend over the last 5 years. It is hard to argue the program has been on a decline while Florida's is rising.

Going into this season, Billy D's teams have lost 42 games in the last 5 years. Tubby's 32.

 

Billy D's teams have lost in the round of 64 TWICE and round of 32 TWICE. One national title. So one in 5 years of tournament success. 4 years of failure.

 

Tubby's teams have lost in the Elite 8 TWICE. Sweet 16 TWICE and round of 32 once. 2 years of tournament success, 2 years of moderate success. One year of failure.

 

And that is with player's that each recruited. Billy D has more losses and less tournament success, OVERALL in the last 5 years.

 

This year is still left to be played out. Although it is has been a disappointment to me up to this point.

While 2 is technically multiple, it is not generally described as multiple. BTW, Billy D has been to 2 Final Fours and 1 Sweet 16 in 12 years. Tubby has been to 1 Final Four, 3 Elite 8's and several Sweet 16's. Their results are similar.

 

Would you trade the two Final fours and 1 Sweet 16 appearance in 12 years for Tubby's 1 Final Four, 3 Elite 8's and 2 other Sweet 16 appearances in the same time span?

 

Would you trade Billy D's ONLY 3 2nd week appearances in the past 12 years for Tubby's 6 (THAT IS DOUBLE BILLY D's SUCCESS). ONE out of 4 years Billy D's teams make it to the 2nd week of the tournament. EVERY OTHER YEAR Tubby's teams have made it to the 2nd week of the tournament.

 

One word...Trend.

One word...Trend.

Two words.....Post 51

 

 

 

 

 

Trend is in Tubby's favor.

Going into this season, Billy D's teams have lost 42 games in the last 5 years. Tubby's 32.

 

Billy D's teams have lost in the round of 64 TWICE and round of 32 TWICE. One national title. So one in 5 years of tournament success. 4 years of failure.

 

Tubby's teams have lost in the Elite 8 TWICE. Sweet 16 TWICE and round of 32 once. 2 years of tournament success, 2 years of moderate success. One year of failure.

 

And that is with player's that each recruited. Billy D has more losses and less tournament success, OVERALL in the last 5 years.

 

This year is still left to be played out. Although it is has been a disappointment to me up to this point.

Yes, but in that 5 years UF has a NT and that makes up for a whole lot of 1st and 2nd round exits.

Two words.....Post 51

But look at the direction over those 5 years. Think of it as a graph. Which way would UF's line be going and which way would UK's?

Yes, but in that 5 years UF has a NT and that makes up for a whole lot of 1st and 2nd round exits.

So you are the mindset that one national title cures all ills. That is unrealistic to expect Billy D. to win one every 6-7 years.

 

 

My point, again for those jumping in midstream. If Tubby leaves MY FIRST CHOICE would be Billy D. But to expect him to have a much different level of success than Tubby is unrealistic.

 

 

Trend is in Tubby's favor.

 

Delusional...completely and totally delusional...

But look at the direction over those 5 years. Think of it as a graph. Which way would UF's line be going and which way would UK's?

So, first you guys say a 5-year trend. Now that doesn't fit the argument so we change to a 1-year trend?

So, first you guys say a 5-year trend. Now that doesn't fit the argument so we change to a 1-year trend?

 

How about looking at where both programs are as we speak...and who got them there...

Delusional...completely and totally delusional...

First you say too many losses and Billy D's team WITH HIS RECRUITS have MORE losses than Tubby's. That is delusional?

 

Tubby's teams have had more success consistently in the NCAA tournament than Billy D's. That is delusional?

 

With the arguments THAT TBERS make, Billy D wins. National title. That is it. ONLY POINT HE WINS ON.

 

So all of your arguments about Billy D over Tubby is considered moot and wrong EXCEPT FOR A NATIONAL TITLE.

 

And for many months now TBERS have been pointing out that it is NOT ONLY about a NATIONAL TITLE. The evidence that TBERS keep referring to, says it is ONLY ABOUT NATIONAL TITLES.

 

Admit that and I am find with it. THink you are unrealistic but at least TBERS are being open and honest with their concerns and not trying to mask it behind claims that are not accurate.

 

AGAIN, I hope Billy D is the next UK coach but I will not expect him to do what he did last year all the time. AND it would be unacceptable to me that his teams flame out in the NCAA tournament as his teams consistently do.