The Bruins come into this matchup on the heels of a blowout loss to North Hardin 36-0. The Trojans scored on their first drive enroute to an easy blowout victory. 

Central Hardin has only scored 14 points thru 4 games, all coming against Elizabethtown. Meanwhile, CAL is averaging 40 points a game. 

Name the score in this one. This could/will go south quick with the potential to be a running clock in the first half. 

This is quite possibly the worst Central Hardin football team since its inception in 1991. The offense has no play-makers and the defense struggles to make stops and spends most of the night on the field after multiple 3 and outs by the offense. 

Not much more to say leading up to this game vs the 3-time defending class 3A state champion Centurians.

My Prediction: CAL 49 Central Hardin 0

52 minutes ago, Hardin County Preps said:

The Bruins come into this matchup on the heels of a blowout loss to North Hardin 36-0. The Trojans scored on their first drive enroute to an easy blowout victory. 

Central Hardin has only scored 14 points thru 4 games, all coming against Elizabethtown. Meanwhile, CAL is averaging 40 points a game. 

Name the score in this one. This could/will go south quick with the potential to be a running clock in the first half. 

This is quite possibly the worst Central Hardin football team since its inception in 1991. The offense has no play-makers and the defense struggles to make stops and spends most of the night on the field after multiple 3 and outs by the offense. 

Not much more to say leading up to this game vs the 3-time defending class 3A state champion Centurians.

My Prediction: CAL 49 Central Hardin 0

Central Hardin is a weak 6A team. This will be CAL early and often. ?‍♂️⏰

CAL with a 1st half running clock.

21 hours ago, Hardin County Preps said:

The Bruins come into this matchup on the heels of a blowout loss to North Hardin 36-0. The Trojans scored on their first drive enroute to an easy blowout victory. 

Central Hardin has only scored 14 points thru 4 games, all coming against Elizabethtown. Meanwhile, CAL is averaging 40 points a game. 

Name the score in this one. This could/will go south quick with the potential to be a running clock in the first half. 

This is quite possibly the worst Central Hardin football team since its inception in 1991. The offense has no play-makers and the defense struggles to make stops and spends most of the night on the field after multiple 3 and outs by the offense. 

Not much more to say leading up to this game vs the 3-time defending class 3A state champion Centurians.

My Prediction: CAL 49 Central Hardin 0

Well, at least Central Hardin is running the modern spread offense you have been clamoring for the past few years.

Maybe Mattingly wasn't so bad after all.

This coach wants to compete for state titles and understands that you need to be balanced to achieve that goal. It will take time. I would encourage bruin66 to come out of the Hardin County bubble and join me at the 6 state title games the first weekend in December and argue his point. There is a common theme to every team that wins a state title in all classifications, they are balanced. Watch the film from the 2022 title game between Bardstown and CAL. Bardstown couldn't run the ball on CAL, wasn't proficient in moving the ball thru the air and had no chance. Teams at all levels, whether High school/ College/Pro, understand the need to be balanced on offense. 

It can be hard to run the ball effectively if the defense isn’t worried about the pass at all because defenders fly downhill when they see run blocking. Alternatively, a defense that isn’t worried about the run can play more DBs, bring more blitzes, and rush the passer off the snap more aggressively. In that sense, balance can just mean making a defense worry about multiple things before the snap to prevent them from zeroing in. I often think of balanced in terms of how many skill players on the field have to hold the attention of the defense. If all five skill players are a threat to receive a pass from the QB,  it becomes very difficult to account for everyone on every snap.

The real goal on offense is to be able to over stress a defense and present more real threats than they can defend at the same time. The breakthrough of the HUNH (hurry-up, no-huddle) spread offense is in accomplishing that goal while giving the QB clarity on which of the threats the defense is focusing on from snap to snap.

A balanced offense is likely to win out over the wing-T style of offensive football. One of the more advantages of the spread offense is the way it creates space for players to work in while forcing the defense to do the hardest thing in the game, cover and tackle in space. It can allow an offense to figure out what the defense is doing and optimize their play call to hit the weak spots.

When the defense is spread out the offense can more easily change plays at the line of scrimmage either with sideline checks or a QB who can make multiple reads.  At that point it doesn’t even necessarily matter if the main threats are all in the pass game or the run game, so long as the offense can hit the defense in two different places at the same time. That’s why you see spread teams that carve opponents up with West Coast passing concepts, power run/play-action combinations, zone/screen RPOs, and QB/RB option plays. To me all this is common sense. 

2 hours ago, Hardin County Preps said:

This coach wants to compete for state titles and understands that you need to be balanced to achieve that goal. It will take time. I would encourage bruin66 to come out of the Hardin County bubble and join me at the 6 state title games the first weekend in December and argue his point. There is a common theme to every team that wins a state title in all classifications, they are balanced. Watch the film from the 2022 title game between Bardstown and CAL. Bardstown couldn't run the ball on CAL, wasn't proficient in moving the ball thru the air and had no chance. Teams at all levels, whether High school/ College/Pro, understand the need to be balanced on offense. 

It can be hard to run the ball effectively if the defense isn’t worried about the pass at all because defenders fly downhill when they see run blocking. Alternatively, a defense that isn’t worried about the run can play more DBs, bring more blitzes, and rush the passer off the snap more aggressively. In that sense, balance can just mean making a defense worry about multiple things before the snap to prevent them from zeroing in. I often think of balanced in terms of how many skill players on the field have to hold the attention of the defense. If all five skill players are a threat to receive a pass from the QB,  it becomes very difficult to account for everyone on every snap.

The real goal on offense is to be able to over stress a defense and present more real threats than they can defend at the same time. The breakthrough of the HUNH (hurry-up, no-huddle) spread offense is in accomplishing that goal while giving the QB clarity on which of the threats the defense is focusing on from snap to snap.

A balanced offense is likely to win out over the wing-T style of offensive football. One of the more advantages of the spread offense is the way it creates space for players to work in while forcing the defense to do the hardest thing in the game, cover and tackle in space. It can allow an offense to figure out what the defense is doing and optimize their play call to hit the weak spots.

When the defense is spread out the offense can more easily change plays at the line of scrimmage either with sideline checks or a QB who can make multiple reads.  At that point it doesn’t even necessarily matter if the main threats are all in the pass game or the run game, so long as the offense can hit the defense in two different places at the same time. That’s why you see spread teams that carve opponents up with West Coast passing concepts, power run/play-action combinations, zone/screen RPOs, and QB/RB option plays. To me all this is common sense. 

Just playing devil's advocate here, but how do you explain teams like Scott County and Johnson Central then?

 

Does their style of offense allow them to be at Kroger Field on the first weekend in December on a regular basis? There will always be a defense that will have the ability to stop your run, what then?

9 minutes ago, Unrivaled97 said:

Just playing devil's advocate here, but how do you explain teams like Scott County and Johnson Central then?

 

Or Bell County and Belfry?

10 minutes ago, Hardin County Preps said:

Does their style of offense allow them to be at Kroger Field on the first weekend in December on a regular basis? There will always be a defense that will have the ability to stop your run, what then?

Maybe not consistently, but their style of offense has allowed them to be there plenty.  Same can be said for Bell County and Belfry.  So, in speaking of teams getting to Kroger Field consistently, who would you say those are?  Trinity, Beechwood, CAL and who else?  Maybe Bowling Green and Boyle County also?  Only 12 teams make it Kroger Field every year and there are over 200 teams that play football in Kentucky, so I'm just curious who you consider to be the teams on a "regular basis".

23 minutes ago, Hardin County Preps said:

Does their style of offense allow them to be at Kroger Field on the first weekend in December on a regular basis? There will always be a defense that will have the ability to stop your run, what then?

Yes.  And take a look at Bell County historically as well.

3 hours ago, Hardin County Preps said:

This coach wants to compete for state titles and understands that you need to be balanced to achieve that goal. It will take time. I would encourage bruin66 to come out of the Hardin County bubble and join me at the 6 state title games the first weekend in December and argue his point. There is a common theme to every team that wins a state title in all classifications, they are balanced. Watch the film from the 2022 title game between Bardstown and CAL. Bardstown couldn't run the ball on CAL, wasn't proficient in moving the ball thru the air and had no chance. Teams at all levels, whether High school/ College/Pro, understand the need to be balanced on offense. 

It can be hard to run the ball effectively if the defense isn’t worried about the pass at all because defenders fly downhill when they see run blocking. Alternatively, a defense that isn’t worried about the run can play more DBs, bring more blitzes, and rush the passer off the snap more aggressively. In that sense, balance can just mean making a defense worry about multiple things before the snap to prevent them from zeroing in. I often think of balanced in terms of how many skill players on the field have to hold the attention of the defense. If all five skill players are a threat to receive a pass from the QB,  it becomes very difficult to account for everyone on every snap.

The real goal on offense is to be able to over stress a defense and present more real threats than they can defend at the same time. The breakthrough of the HUNH (hurry-up, no-huddle) spread offense is in accomplishing that goal while giving the QB clarity on which of the threats the defense is focusing on from snap to snap.

A balanced offense is likely to win out over the wing-T style of offensive football. One of the more advantages of the spread offense is the way it creates space for players to work in while forcing the defense to do the hardest thing in the game, cover and tackle in space. It can allow an offense to figure out what the defense is doing and optimize their play call to hit the weak spots.

When the defense is spread out the offense can more easily change plays at the line of scrimmage either with sideline checks or a QB who can make multiple reads.  At that point it doesn’t even necessarily matter if the main threats are all in the pass game or the run game, so long as the offense can hit the defense in two different places at the same time. That’s why you see spread teams that carve opponents up with West Coast passing concepts, power run/play-action combinations, zone/screen RPOs, and QB/RB option plays. To me all this is common sense. 

It is not common sense for some schools to run a spread offense.  Just like it is not common sense for some schools to run the option, Wing-T, I-formation, etc.  The main thing good coaches do is to evaluate and identify what type of players their school typically gets, and then modify their system to that.  Of course, there should be some flexibility in any system to take advantage of unique talents that come along every so often.

There are WAY too many teams across the commonwealth who try to run a particular system just because it is trendy when, in fact, it may be detrimental to the success of their school.  The thing that I would think that a good coach would want to do is to maximize the talent at his particular school.  And, in my opinion, running a spread offense at a school such as Central Hardin hinders the chances for success.  They typically get big, linemen-type players who are not particularly fleet of foot on average.  When one has a lack of talent, speeding up the game is the exact opposite of what should be occurring.  Slow the game down.  Get first downs.  Possess the ball.  Keep your defense, which has trouble covering superior athletes, off of the field.

Do you think Army and Air Force should be running a spread?  In fact, Army tried that approach a number of years ago with a Todd Berry as their coach from 2000 - 2003.  It was disastrous. His best record in 4 years as head coach was 3-8.   When the current coach took over and reinstituted the triple option offense, their success skyrocketed, including a 12-2 record last year.  Is that because those coaches are ignorant of more modern systems?  No.  They simply put their individual preferences aside for the betterment of their program.  They do what fits the talent they typically get.  They maximize the potential of their teams.  That is the true definition of good coaching.  Not doing what is "cool."

10 minutes ago, bruin66 said:

Yes.  And take a look at Bell County historically as well.

You could also make the case about Louisville Central. Their last state championship team they ran the ball 75 percent of the time.

 

Ashland ran it 80 percent of the time when they won the state championship.

If Trinity, Male, X, CAL, Boyle  etc ran the Wing T or the Option they would be just as successful. A) They have the horses. B) They have the coaches and resources. C) They have the support from the school, parents and boosters. A lot of teams that run the Wing T or the Option do so to get the most out of the talent they have. In a lot of ways it levels the playing field. This will likely shock the parents who believe Jimmy is the best football player ever or the fan that knows more than any coach, despite having nothing more than little league experience at best, here is the reality. I mean no disrespect to Coach Gregory, but the only way he is going to State at Central Hardin is if he buys a ticket. As for this week CAL could play the JV team and have a running clock at the half, regardless of what offense the Bruins run. 

We agree to disagree, this conversation is going nowhere. let's get back to the purpose of the thread.

4 hours ago, Hardin County Preps said:

This coach wants to compete for state titles and understands that you need to be balanced to achieve that goal. It will take time. I would encourage bruin66 to come out of the Hardin County bubble and join me at the 6 state title games the first weekend in December and argue his point. There is a common theme to every team that wins a state title in all classifications, they are balanced. Watch the film from the 2022 title game between Bardstown and CAL. Bardstown couldn't run the ball on CAL, wasn't proficient in moving the ball thru the air and had no chance. Teams at all levels, whether High school/ College/Pro, understand the need to be balanced on offense. 

It can be hard to run the ball effectively if the defense isn’t worried about the pass at all because defenders fly downhill when they see run blocking. Alternatively, a defense that isn’t worried about the run can play more DBs, bring more blitzes, and rush the passer off the snap more aggressively. In that sense, balance can just mean making a defense worry about multiple things before the snap to prevent them from zeroing in. I often think of balanced in terms of how many skill players on the field have to hold the attention of the defense. If all five skill players are a threat to receive a pass from the QB,  it becomes very difficult to account for everyone on every snap.

The real goal on offense is to be able to over stress a defense and present more real threats than they can defend at the same time. The breakthrough of the HUNH (hurry-up, no-huddle) spread offense is in accomplishing that goal while giving the QB clarity on which of the threats the defense is focusing on from snap to snap.

A balanced offense is likely to win out over the wing-T style of offensive football. One of the more advantages of the spread offense is the way it creates space for players to work in while forcing the defense to do the hardest thing in the game, cover and tackle in space. It can allow an offense to figure out what the defense is doing and optimize their play call to hit the weak spots.

When the defense is spread out the offense can more easily change plays at the line of scrimmage either with sideline checks or a QB who can make multiple reads.  At that point it doesn’t even necessarily matter if the main threats are all in the pass game or the run game, so long as the offense can hit the defense in two different places at the same time. That’s why you see spread teams that carve opponents up with West Coast passing concepts, power run/play-action combinations, zone/screen RPOs, and QB/RB option plays. To me all this is common sense. 

This so Laughable, as if Tim Mattingly didn't want to compete for state titles? The guy won more games than anyone @bruin66 took my post right out of my mouth all those years you bashed Mattingly for running "old" style of offense that he somehow won multiple region titles (the only ones in school history) at least six district titles and multiple region championship appearances. And just to pile on some more, as stated by fellow commentors, belfry, johnson central, bell county, scott county, louisville central under scroggins and danztler barley threw a pass a game. But yeah the spread is going to lead central to promise land.