I do believe that the rating system for H.S. kids "stars" is way overrated.

 

My opinion is this, the only way a kid to be ranked in the nation is by going to these H.S. "combines" so if you don't go one can't be ranked. And what makes these scouts experts, they are not college coaches or anything?

 

Not saying the 4 or five star guys are not good, they are very good, however a kid from wherever can just be as good or better, but not ranked because he did not go to these "combines" and he could be as good or better than many "ranked kids"

 

Do you agree or disagree and why.

In this day and age "kids from nowhere" are few and far between. The kids with lots of stars usually have talent, sometimes they don't live up to it. Some other kids become talents later on, but it doesn't happen as often as one might think.

It's a hard judgement call. It depends a lot on who you have faced during the season. Some kids do really well against teams that struggle with everyone and then the same kid is shut down by a very good team. So therefor he really needs to go to these combines and matchup with some of the best talent in the country. There were districts that had 8 teams in them so it was hard to schedule tough teams. Where some teams had 4 and were going to post season play. These combines are set up for a reason and this is why, I know it's tough to get to some of these but if you don't your left at the mercy of maybe never being seen....................LTW.

Alot of good kids get missed

In this day and age "kids from nowhere" are few and far between. The kids with lots of stars usually have talent, sometimes they don't live up to it. Some other kids become talents later on, but it doesn't happen as often as one might think.

 

 

Good post:

 

I agree with you 100% that the kids with a lot of stars have tons of talent. And yes, there are kids who peek at diff. times. I just still think a lot of kids who peek later, really had the talent in H.S and was overlooked. It is a hard call because thousands of H.S kids want to play in college.

 

Also an example of people taking stars to seriously is if a kid has 2 stars and whoever gripes about the college should have gone after a 3 or 4 star kid. Trust the coaches, they offered the kid a scholly for a reason.

Alot of good kids get missed

Send game film to any school you want. They won't be missed if they can play.

Kids are sometimes missed bacause they play out of position in high school. It is hard to compare kids who are playing against Trinity as compared against a kid who is playing against Berea. SCouts often miss on kids. Jerry Rice played at Mississippi Valley and Phil Sims played at Morehead State. I guarantee that Phil Sims was better than who Kentucky and Louisville recruited as quarterback that year. The star system is not always accurate but is a good starting point.

Kids are sometimes missed bacause they play out of position in high school. It is hard to compare kids who are playing against Trinity as compared against a kid who is playing against Berea. SCouts often miss on kids. Jerry Rice played at Mississippi Valley and Phil Sims played at Morehead State. I guarantee that Phil Sims was better than who Kentucky and Louisville recruited as quarterback that year. The star system is not always accurate but is a good starting point.

But both of your examples aren't in this era.

 

You could argue that in THIS day and age, both of those players would have been bigger recruits.

 

Per the initial post of this thread, scouting services also follow who's getting interest from college coaches. If a kid is good, sends film to coaches and they see enough of what they like to scout and follow the player, that player WILL get noticed by these websites.

But both of your examples aren't in this era.

 

You could argue that in THIS day and age, both of those players would have been bigger recruits.

 

Per the initial post of this thread, scouting services also follow who's getting interest from college coaches. If a kid is good, sends film to coaches and they see enough of what they like to scout and follow the player, that player WILL get noticed by these websites.

 

 

Wow, now I feel old.:irked:

But both of your examples aren't in this era.

 

You could argue that in THIS day and age, both of those players would have been bigger recruits.

 

Per the initial post of this thread, scouting services also follow who's getting interest from college coaches. If a kid is good, sends film to coaches and they see enough of what they like to scout and follow the player, that player WILL get noticed by these websites.

Agreed and promotion is the key....The colleges can't/won't recruit a player, unless they know about him. Attending camps and combines, give coaches a visual on these potential recruits.

 

Start early, get noticed and I tell everyone...."get on someones recruiting board early and they will follow your progress".

Per the initial post of this thread, scouting services also follow who's getting interest from college coaches. If a kid is good, sends film to coaches and they see enough of what they like to scout and follow the player, that player WILL get noticed by these websites.

 

What if the player is not talking to these scouting services? I'm sure college coaches have better things to do than call the scouts and brag about their new recruit.

 

I just think way to much is based on if the player talks to the service and if he goes to these combines. Yes they should go, but I don't think the scouting services should be regarded as high as they are.

 

I think the senior day camps that all colleges have in the summer is the way to go. Therefore the coaches see them and make decisions on who's good or not, not some "experts". Which brings me to my next question, who are these experts and what qualifications do they have?????

 

*not trying to start an arguement, just like this conversation!

I know for a fact that Chase Minnifield didn't attend any combines and I dont think that hurt his rating nationally.

I know for a fact that Chase Minnifield didn't attend any combines and I dont think that hurt his rating nationally.

 

No but his name didn't hurt him either. If you are good enough you get found. However, if you don't have stars, you won't be found by big time schools or schools from big time conferences. The stars next to a kids name is insurance to the recruiting coaches.

However, if you don't have stars, you won't be found by big time schools or schools from big time conferences. The stars next to a kids name is insurance to the recruiting coaches.

 

I disagree. The "scouts" get information from coaching staffs at schools and vice versa. Going to a combine is a good way to put some proof out for them if you play in a lower tier football state like KY that is viewed as having an overall lower level of competiton.

This is why you see kids with early hype not receiving offers and why sometimes a kid seems to come out of nowhere.

 

I do agree that some of these "experts" are questionable.....coaches make the ultimate call and don't give a flip about stars.

Send game film to any school you want. They won't be missed if they can play.

 

Exactly, recruiting coordinators and position coaches watch almost all scout film that comes in the door. The only players being "missed :cry: " are ones not actively advertising themselves, sending out film, a bio page, etc. Outside of the mega powers, most programs look for the diamond in the rough kids.