If the Bengals were still alive in the Playoffs, then nobody would be saying a thing about these arrests. When Teams Lose, people look to place blame on anything and everything. This team underachieved, therefore these off-the-field problems are going to get scrutinized more and more. Does Carson have a right to say something? Sure. Does it change anything? No. What are the Bengals/Marvin Lewis going to do about it? That is the question....

In any other instance...Carson would/should keep quiet and let others handle it.

 

But extreme problems call for extreme situations.

 

 

 

He is the franchise player.

He is the leader.

He sets an example.

 

 

9 players in 9 months........if it DOESN'T stop soon, next year's season will be in jeapordy just like this past one.

 

PS..if it doesn't stop soon and Marvin get a handle on his players, there could be a possible coaching change.

If the Bengals were still alive in the Playoffs, then nobody would be saying a thing about these arrests. When Teams Lose, people look to place blame on anything and everything. This team underachieved, therefore these off-the-field problems are going to get scrutinized more and more. Does Carson have a right to say something? Sure. Does it change anything? No. What are the Bengals/Marvin Lewis going to do about it? That is the question....

 

 

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If the Bengals were still alive in the Playoffs, then nobody would be saying a thing about these arrests. When Teams Lose, people look to place blame on anything and everything. This team underachieved, therefore these off-the-field problems are going to get scrutinized more and more.

 

People, the media, and late night comedians were talking, and poking fun, with 5, 6, 7, and 8 arrest during the season and while the Bengals were still in the play-off picture.

 

Personally, I would say the off the field situations lead to the losing, not the losing being blamed on the off the field situations. JMO.

This is HIS team. He should let everyone know what they are doing is wrong. Thats what good leaders do.

I think the problems the Bengals face off the field are far more of a problem than Carson or Marvin can fix. While Palmer is the team leader his spouting off about his teammates will only cause resentment within the organization. As upset as Palmer is, and it is justified that he be upset, bringing the problems out in public view again only helps make matters worse. Although the problems reported are public record, IMO Palmer and the Bengals would be better off if he reached out as a friend to the players mentioned and offer his help or advice behind closed doors. If he is the leader that everyone says he is, then I think the players would respect him even more and may listen is he approached it in this manner.

I think the problems the Bengals face off the field are far more of a problem than Carson or Marvin can fix. While Palmer is the team leader his spouting off about his teammates will only cause resentment within the organization. As upset as Palmer is, and it is justified that he be upset, bringing the problems out in public view again only helps make matters worse. Although the problems reported are public record, IMO Palmer and the Bengals would be better off if he reached out as a friend to the players mentioned and offer his help or advice behind closed doors. If he is the leader that everyone says he is, then I think the players would respect him even more and may listen is he approached it in this manner.

 

Exactly!

Carson should be spouting off in the locker room, not to the public.

Doesn't it change things after other players gave their thoughts on the subject. Apparently Palmer is not the only one who has had enough.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2740990

I think the problems the Bengals face off the field are far more of a problem than Carson or Marvin can fix. While Palmer is the team leader his spouting off about his teammates will only cause resentment within the organization. As upset as Palmer is, and it is justified that he be upset, bringing the problems out in public view again only helps make matters worse. Although the problems reported are public record, IMO Palmer and the Bengals would be better off if he reached out as a friend to the players mentioned and offer his help or advice behind closed doors. If he is the leader that everyone says he is, then I think the players would respect him even more and may listen is he approached it in this manner.

 

You would have to think they he and others probably tried this closed door approach already, and obviously it hasn't worked. So now it is time to go out and public to say this, because maybe the players would see that their team leader is now definitely serious about this and they need to get their act together...I mean if it was someone else who was not the unquestioned leader of the team calling these players out then yeah it might be a problem and cause some tension in the locker room, but Carson is the team leader and so I think they will respect that more and wont cause problems in the locker room...

Carson should be spouting off in the locker room, not to the public.

 

As I just posted, you have to believe that he probably has done that in the locker room already, and well that hasn't worked apparently...

You would have to think they he and others probably tried this closed door approach already, and obviously it hasn't worked. So now it is time to go out and public to say this, because maybe the players would see that their team leader is now definitely serious about this and they need to get their act together...I mean if it was someone else who was not the unquestioned leader of the team calling these players out then yeah it might be a problem and cause some tension in the locker room, but Carson is the team leader and so I think they will respect that more and wont cause problems in the locker room...

I have to disagree with this. If Carson gripes to the public all he does is undermine his team and the organization as a whole. What possible good can come from it other than a team tearing itself apart from the inside out? In fact, I can't see anyone in the organization complaining to the public about any individuals. It's unprofessional and unproductive. They need to do their talking in private and when that doesn't work then they need to back up their words with actions. If I have a problem employee, I don't complain to the Enquirer. If he doesn't straighten up after being given notice, then we make other arrangements to help him fly straight. If that doesn't work, we find a replacement for him.

Anderson told the Enquirer he and other veterans warned their teammates not to become "No. 9 or No. 10," in reference to becoming the ninth or 10th Bengals player arrested since the start of 2006.

 

Thornton told the Enquirer that after Deltha O'Neal's DUI arrest on Dec. 9, Cincinnati Police met with the team for an educational session on drunken driving enforcement. Thornton said the session opened his eyes

 

It seems like the team leaders have been talking to the team behind closed doors.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=740990

I have to disagree with this. If Carson gripes to the public all he does is undermine his team and the organization as a whole. What possible good can come from it other than a team tearing itself apart from the inside out? In fact, I can't see anyone in the organization complaining to the public about any individuals. It's unprofessional and unproductive. They need to do their talking in private and when that doesn't work then they need to back up their words with actions. If I have a problem employee, I don't complain to the Enquirer. If he doesn't straighten up after being given notice, then we make other arrangements to help him fly straight. If that doesn't work, we find a replacement for him.

 

What the people are doing off the field is undermining the team and the organization and giving the team a bad rap. From mostly everything I have seen across the nation so far, they agree with Carson actually coming out into the public and saying something. You say him doing that could mess things up in the locker room, but what these guys are doing off the field has already got things messed up in the locker room. The team talked in doors and told the guys not to be the 9th and 10th guys arrested in the offseason this year, and yet a player now still does it. So if a teammate such as Carson goes out and says something in the public, I dont think JJ or anyone has the right to be mad about anything because they brought it on themselves...As I said before if it was another player and not a team leader like Carson saying it, then I think the player might get mad about it. But when its the leader of the team saying it then I think the player wont get mad about it because he would know he deserves it and brought it on his ownself...

From what Anderson and Thornton said, in my above post. And from what Lewis said, that he was going to be tougher in 2007. I think JJ is going to get a tougher penalty the the other 8 players who have been arrested. And people will gripe because he got a tougher punishment, but after Lewis said he was going to be tougher in 2007 he should have been warned.

 

Palmer is getting bashed on here for his comments, but Anderson and Thornton have made public statements also. And from their comments it looks like none of the players are surprised about Palmers comments. I think they knew it was going to happen, if someone else got arrested.