1 hour ago, Breds82 said:

With schools like this, how can a coach who knows what he’s doing not have some success if he can get the numbers to play? I can understand the administration getting in the way, but can’t a true motivator/coach make a something out of nothing?

To that last part & generally speaking:

If their schedule is right then they can. Also if they have a naturally gifted group of kids come around.  

 

Most jobs like Adair your are going to have up and downs years but you hope to build the program up to a level that the down years are still 6-7 win season and making the playoffs.  The bigger issue is a head coach is only 1 coach.  You are only as good as your assistants are and if you don't have stipends to attract coordinators/assistants to come help you then its tough to build a program to that level.  That is where administrators come in on getting stipends raised and giving coaches jobs in the building that are favorable to a coaches schedule.  

2 hours ago, zoneblitz24 said:

Most jobs like Adair your are going to have up and downs years but you hope to build the program up to a level that the down years are still 6-7 win season and making the playoffs.  The bigger issue is a head coach is only 1 coach.  You are only as good as your assistants are and if you don't have stipends to attract coordinators/assistants to come help you then its tough to build a program to that level.  That is where administrators come in on getting stipends raised and giving coaches jobs in the building that are favorable to a coaches schedule.  

Amen!  It is not hard to see the programs that have the support of the Board of Education and Administration.

1 hour ago, Green River Monster said:

Amen!  It is not hard to see the programs that have the support of the Board of Education and Administration.

Well just looking at this job and the stipends the head coaching pay is $8K which is respectable to me for a 3A school but the assistant coaching stipend total is set at $12K.  This quite simply is not enough to build a staff that is going to be successful.  I would say that stipend fund needs to increase by at least $10K in order to go get an OC and DC if not double it.  You would need to be able to pay OC/DC positions $5-6K a piece and then have 4 assistants making $4K a piece.  If the head coach can call the offense or defense then it gives you more money to go get quality assistant coaches.  

45 minutes ago, zoneblitz24 said:

Well just looking at this job and the stipends the head coaching pay is $8K which is respectable to me for a 3A school but the assistant coaching stipend total is set at $12K.  This quite simply is not enough to build a staff that is going to be successful.  I would say that stipend fund needs to increase by at least $10K in order to go get an OC and DC if not double it.  You would need to be able to pay OC/DC positions $5-6K a piece and then have 4 assistants making $4K a piece.  If the head coach can call the offense or defense then it gives you more money to go get quality assistant coaches.  

Stonebraker calls his own plays.  

55 minutes ago, Nuke LaLoosh said:

Stonebraker calls his own plays.  

Ok so that takes care of one side of the ball.  There is still defense and special teams.  So take the $12K and your DC gets $5K and you have $7K to spend on the rest of the staff.  That isn't going to go very far. 

45 minutes ago, zoneblitz24 said:

Ok so that takes care of one side of the ball.  There is still defense and special teams.  So take the $12K and your DC gets $5K and you have $7K to spend on the rest of the staff.  That isn't going to go very far. 

I don’t disagree with you.  If whoever becomes the coach there, and if they have success, then they will have leverage to ask for more.  This doesn’t look like an uncommon amount in a budget for a lot of schools like Adair.  That may also speak to why they are where they are as well.

38 minutes ago, zoneblitz24 said:

Ok so that takes care of one side of the ball.  There is still defense and special teams.  So take the $12K and your DC gets $5K and you have $7K to spend on the rest of the staff.  That isn't going to go very far. 

A lot of people don't know the limitations that goes into coaching. The long days / Short nights. Not many perks financially and with the lack of support from all hands on deck in most school districts, it makes a tough place to uproot and move to financially gain to coach.

Most people coach because they love the game. A lot of people stay in their respective communities to give back, helping the younger generations. Its hard to just "coach" and not have a career in another field, but coach, even though it happens. There seems to be less and less teachers that are coaches due to the lack of support and monetary gain. Coaches in a lot of schools are not valued, the resources are not there so they may not be as successful as schools that do a total buy in.... Ex.. Current - Johnson Central, Belfry, Mayfield, Boyle, Bullitt East, South Warren, Bowling Green, etc.. I'm sorry if I didn't mention your school, but there are schools that want to field teams but don't have the total buy in with finances, jobs, resources and men/women who want to be a part of the school system - program. 

So what does it take to make coaching at the high school and below levels, appealing? Unless you coach with a buddy, get a good/decent job and are paid well for both - is it worth the time and effort? My suggestion is to look at your resources and the outcome of both academic and athletic success in your school! 

 

19 hours ago, BobbyKnight said:

A lot of people don't know the limitations that goes into coaching. The long days / Short nights. Not many perks financially and with the lack of support from all hands on deck in most school districts, it makes a tough place to uproot and move to financially gain to coach.

Most people coach because they love the game. A lot of people stay in their respective communities to give back, helping the younger generations. Its hard to just "coach" and not have a career in another field, but coach, even though it happens. There seems to be less and less teachers that are coaches due to the lack of support and monetary gain. Coaches in a lot of schools are not valued, the resources are not there so they may not be as successful as schools that do a total buy in.... Ex.. Current - Johnson Central, Belfry, Mayfield, Boyle, Bullitt East, South Warren, Bowling Green, etc.. I'm sorry if I didn't mention your school, but there are schools that want to field teams but don't have the total buy in with finances, jobs, resources and men/women who want to be a part of the school system - program. 

So what does it take to make coaching at the high school and below levels, appealing? Unless you coach with a buddy, get a good/decent job and are paid well for both - is it worth the time and effort? My suggestion is to look at your resources and the outcome of both academic and athletic success in your school! 

 

I don't know anybody who coaches just for the money.  If they only coach for the money then they probably aren't a good coach.  Everybody that I know coaches because they love the game and understand the impact that it can have on young student athletes later on in life.  There aren't many lessons I remember from the high school classroom but I sure do remember what I learned on the football field, weight room, and locker room.  To build a successful program you have to have support from top to bottom in a school system and the community has to buy into the program as well.  There are so few schools that have that type of support that if you can get it I believe you can win 7-8 games a year because there might only be 1 team on your schedule that has it.  

12 hours ago, zoneblitz24 said:

I don't know anybody who coaches just for the money.  If they only coach for the money then they probably aren't a good coach.  Everybody that I know coaches because they love the game and understand the impact that it can have on young student athletes later on in life.  There aren't many lessons I remember from the high school classroom but I sure do remember what I learned on the football field, weight room, and locker room.  To build a successful program you have to have support from top to bottom in a school system and the community has to buy into the program as well.  There are so few schools that have that type of support that if you can get it I believe you can win 7-8 games a year because there might only be 1 team on your schedule that has it.  

Great post.
 

Same here.  Those that think the ball fields or courts don’t teach you as much, or mean as much to the total academic-developmental in all area(s) process? I can’t even have a conversation with.  Because they are either saying it because they don’t know or they are just trying to sound P.C. 
 

I never dreaded going to an English class, but I did to a 98 degree “in the shade” practice at 3:30 after school, but knew that’s what needed to be done for the betterment of the team, myself, my coaches, etc.

I never got knocked to the ground in Math class, having to get back up and go at it again and again. However, I did at practice and games where your teammates, several hundred to a couple thousand people were watching

That list could go on and on.

I agree with the last part, too, but I’m telling you…the natural talent that you have vs what your opponents don’t have, IMO, or vice versa, get left out big time in all this.  If that wasn’t the case, then you’d see coaches at other programs instead of the ones they are at- or you’d see them never leave for better situations.  
 

You show me a team that wins on a Friday night and the overwhelming, vast majority of the time? I’m going to show you a team that just has better players.  God gifted, naturally, better athletes.  
 

Some coaches don’t like acknowledging that, or at least not harping on it as much as they should.  Why? That deflects from their own personal impact on a program.    I get “culture”.  Culture is real thing, but I can promise you there as many average to below average teams out there that have as good of a team culture as successful ones.  The difference(s), at least in many cases, not all…
 

P-L-A-Y-E-R-S

 

Two things I really like to have:  Really good players and really good coaches. I seem to better when it is that way. 

I expect to hear something from the Adair administration before the new year.  

May be a bit off subject but did Stonebraker at one time coach Jeffersontown HS in Louisville?

3 hours ago, Roundsteak said:

May be a bit off subject but did Stonebraker at one time coach Jeffersontown HS in Louisville?

Yes.

5 hours ago, Roundsteak said:

May be a bit off subject but did Stonebraker at one time coach Jeffersontown HS in Louisville?

1 season 2015.