10 minutes ago, theguru said:

Speaking of how we title things, if this same suspect used his vehicle to run over and kill the 8 victims would you title it car violence? 

Vehicular homicide or murder, yes. 

15 minutes ago, theguru said:

Percentage of arrests and convictions for crimes committed.

But to just put it out there, quit vilifying the Police and demand they get back to pro-active policing everywhere in America.

The police made their bed, but this isn't the thread for that. 

Just now, TheDeuce said:

Vehicular homicide or murder, yes. 

I would just go with murder in both cases.

1 minute ago, TheDeuce said:

The police made their bed, but this isn't the thread for that. 

We can agree to disagree that the police made their bed.

Just now, theguru said:

We can agree to disagree that the police made their bed.

Fair enough.

1 hour ago, theguru said:

Each case is an individual circumstance so we really don't know in this case yet what may or may not be a possible fix.

But to answer your question, for starters we need law and order in America and we need to reexamine how we deal with mental illness.  If we don't start with these two fixes then I don't see any hope of stopping/greatly slowing down violent crime. 

In general, I agree. I believe most people agree with this sentiment.

But if the pandemic taught me anything, it is that law and order is subjective. I know I am generalizing here, but many that carry the law and order mantra were the most defiant with some of the requirements being "forced" upon us. 

The mental health quandary is a tough one. I do think we are all much more accepting that mental illness is a real thing and not combated strictly by policing/jailing it. I commend the police for doing as well as they have with it.

2 minutes ago, bugatti said:

In general, I agree. I believe most people agree with this sentiment.

But if the pandemic taught me anything, it is that law and order is subjective. I know I am generalizing here, but many that carry the law and order mantra were the most defiant with some of the requirements being "forced" upon us. 

The mental health quandary is a tough one. I do think we are all much more accepting that mental illness is a real thing and not combated strictly by policing/jailing it. I commend the police for doing as well as they have with it.

I am not sure I understand everything you are saying here. I am speaking specifically about criminal laws on the books.  If you are talking about "draconian mandates" that did (and will continue to do) more harm than good in my opinion, they are no where near the same thing.

7 minutes ago, bugatti said:

In general, I agree. I believe most people agree with this sentiment.

But if the pandemic taught me anything, it is that law and order is subjective. I know I am generalizing here, but many that carry the law and order mantra were the most defiant with some of the requirements being "forced" upon us. 

The mental health quandary is a tough one. I do think we are all much more accepting that mental illness is a real thing and not combated strictly by policing/jailing it. I commend the police for doing as well as they have with it.

Tough is probably an understatement.  I too agree the police do an amazing job dealing with the mentally ill (it is a big part of the job) but the police are only a piecemeal, temporary solution to a can that is continually kicked down the road.  In other words, the police should only be a last resort to deal with the mentally ill but currently the system to deal with the mentally ill is severely inadequate and therefore in many cases the police become the first option.  

1 hour ago, gchs_uk9 said:

What solutions did The Onion offer?

6 minutes ago, theguru said:

What solutions did The Onion offer?

If we’re asking what solutions a satirical website offer for this problem were probably off track already. It does appear this is a very American problem, one that may have solutions in other countries across the globe, but as with many things in America, our notions of “exceptionalism” and a complete poo-pooing of most things foreign means that any realistic solution is probably dead on arrival.

3 minutes ago, gchs_uk9 said:

If we’re asking what solutions a satirical website offer for this problem were probably off track already. It does appear this is a very American problem, one that may have solutions in other countries across the globe, but as with many things in America, our notions of “exceptionalism” and a complete poo-pooing of most things foreign means that any realistic solution is probably dead on arrival.

Right, The Onion is just profiting off of the tragedy. 

3 minutes ago, theguru said:

Right, The Onion is just profiting off of the tragedy. 

That’s the joke. They post the same article every time it happens - multiple times a year. With almost every tragedy people in America demand answers but with mass shootings we just shrug our shoulders and move on.

1 minute ago, gchs_uk9 said:

That’s the joke. They post the same article every time it happens - multiple times a year. With almost every tragedy people in America demand answers but with mass shootings we just shrug our shoulders and move on.

Mass shootings are normally individual criminal acts committed by perpetrators with some level of mental illness, if anyone has a solution for that I am all ears.

What is not a solution is attempting to take firearms away from law abiding citizens. 

4 minutes ago, theguru said:

Mass shootings are normally individual criminal acts committed by perpetrators with some level of mental illness, if anyone has a solution for that I am all ears.

What is not a solution is attempting to take firearms away from law abiding citizens. 

I’ve never been for your second point. That’s often been a straw-man used by many to eliminate any meaningful discussion. And because that straw-man comes out immediately it almost always negates the possibility of meaningful conversation about your first point, which is extremely necessary and in my opinion would be beneficial beyond just mass shooting issues. 

This may seem off topic but I would recommend watching “The Social Dilemma” on Netflix. I recommend it because it shows how tech companies have effectively cornered people into their own online bubble and anything other than the person’s own views on any (every?) topic is unacceptable. I honestly think that type of thinking drives a wedge further into people (leading to these types of behaviors) all for the purpose of advertising profits. It doesn’t completely explain why this happens (it never even mentions this in the film), but those are immediate conclusions I drew from it.