How would that be different than a gunman shooting at the kids as they get off the bus outside the school?

 

Furthermore, I dont think the lines would be as log as some think. Not everyone arrives at school at the same time. Busses stagger in, parent drop offs stagger in, student drivers stagger in.

 

I look back at my high school, everyone came in the same entrance every day (was the only way in, in the mornings) which had a very narrow hallway into the school. There were never lines to get into the school. (granted no metal detectors either then to back things up) Now that would not be the entrance to use at said school with metal detectors, but they have also remodeled the school since then as well.

 

Knox County PR director said on WKYT that they can get all their kids through the doors in 8 minutes. That’s if they all came in at once. That doesn’t happen. So it’s a non-issue.

There are already schools that utilize metal detectors and other means to reduce the risk to teachers and students inside. This is not new but the national discussion never mentions it. Glad to see BGP is talking about measures that may actually work. It is going to be expensive but we have to decide that students' and teachers' lives are worth the cost.

 

The most effective way to keep violence from occurring in the school is to restrict access and have armed guards. If we are serious about preventing shooters in schools, then that is where we must go.

 

Is anyone aware of a discussion on the national level that has gone to schools where they already have metal detectors and armed guards to ask them why they decided to go that route; how did they implement it; and how has it worked?

There are already schools that utilize metal detectors and other means to reduce the risk to teachers and students inside. This is not new but the national discussion never mentions it. Glad to see BGP is talking about measures that may actually work. It is going to be expensive but we have to decide that students' and teachers' lives are worth the cost.

 

The most effective way to keep violence from occurring in the school is to restrict access and have armed guards. If we are serious about preventing shooters in schools, then that is where we must go.

 

Is anyone aware of a discussion on the national level that has gone to schools where they already have metal detectors and armed guards to ask them why they decided to go that route; how did they implement it; and how has it worked?

 

I’ve been saying metal detectors forever and it gets shrugged off because “it’s not a 100% fix.”

How is lining kids up in a large group outside waiting to get in a good thing? You won't be able to get everyone in quickly, therefore you are going to have a lot of sitting ducks waiting in a TARGET LINE to get in.

 

Just saying....

If we are looking for best case scenarios of school shooters, wouldn’t forcing them outside where they are trying to shoot at the students trying to enter be the best?

 

This is where the armed SRO is located and students can run or hide without being trapped inside the school.

The line of kids outside is easily addressed. You have an on duty officer posted outside for the hour or so it takes to all of the buses unloaded. Once buses are done that officer goes about is normal day.

The line of kids outside is easily addressed. You have an on duty officer posted outside for the hour or so it takes to all of the buses unloaded. Once buses are done that officer goes about is normal day.

 

So you're gonna hire armed security for every single school in the country on top of metal detectors?

So you're gonna hire armed security for every single school in the country on top of metal detectors?

 

If you want to protect schools you don't really have any other options, at least that I can think of. So either we need to get our minds right that it will take a a lot of funding to do properly or we just admit we are ok with a shooting every now and then. I'm open to other suggestions.

It seems like we want these to stop just by wishful thinking.

 

What’s the old saying: pray and swim to shore.

if you want to protect schools you don't really have any other options, at least that I can think of. So either we need to get our minds right that it will take a a lot of funding to do properly or we just admit we are ok with a shooting every now and then. I'm open to other suggestions.

 

You are absolutely right. A long time ago I had a class in crisis counseling. The teacher talked about the coping behaviors people do in the aftermath of a crisis. One of the things that people in crisis do is to "try to be prepared" so this sort of thing never happens again. We see this after every school shooting. People want to do something, almost anything, because it is a psychological coping strategy. They just don't know that's what they are doing. The protests by the students is just that, that is now getting traction to become something more.

 

So the natural response to crisis is to "do something" even if what they do is not very helpful in addressing the real issues. In my opinion, these futile measures are what is getting top billing in the MSM. But if we can just get "this and that done", we'll feel better about it because we did "something"--psychological need is met, yay!

 

But if saving the lives of students is the real motive, then we better talk about restricted access, metal detectors, and armed guards, and the associated costs. Otherwise, as @woodsrider said, we need to admit that we're okay with an occasional school shooting and will just deal with the aftermath of it.

So you're gonna hire armed security for every single school in the country on top of metal detectors?

 

On average, every central office administration job you cut in a district should pay for 2 SRO's salaries.

If you want to protect schools you don't really have any other options, at least that I can think of. So either we need to get our minds right that it will take a a lot of funding to do properly or we just admit we are ok with a shooting every now and then. I'm open to other suggestions.

 

You are absolutely right. A long time ago I had a class in crisis counseling. The teacher talked about the coping behaviors people do in the aftermath of a crisis. One of the things that people in crisis do is to "try to be prepared" so this sort of thing never happens again. We see this after every school shooting. People want to do something, almost anything, because it is a psychological coping strategy. They just don't know that's what they are doing. The protests by the students is just that, that is now getting traction to become something more.

 

So the natural response to crisis is to "do something" even if what they do is not very helpful in addressing the real issues. In my opinion, these futile measures are what is getting top billing in the MSM. But if we can just get "this and that done", we'll feel better about it because we did "something"--psychological need is met, yay!

 

But if saving the lives of students is the real motive, then we better talk about restricted access, metal detectors, and armed guards, and the associated costs. Otherwise, as @woodsrider said, we need to admit that we're okay with an occasional school shooting and will just deal with the aftermath of it.

 

I agree 100% guys.

 

If we want to keep our schools safe it is going to have to be a multi-faceted approach that first and foremost includes boots on the ground (armed men and women in every school in America).

 

Or, exactly as the two of you pointed out, we just need to admit that we're okay with an occasional school shooting and will just deal with the aftermath of it.