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BREAKING: Trump signs executive actions to advance the construction of the Keystone XL and Dakota Access oil pipelines.

Here we go.....:popcorn:

I'm very uninformed on this stuff.

 

Can someone give me an unbiased Cliff notes version of what the debate about this is?

I'm very uninformed on this stuff.

 

Can someone give me an unbiased Cliff notes version of what the debate about this is?

 

Broadly, there is an environmental conflict over the construction of more pipelines to transport fossil fuels as well as the pipelines' potential effect on wildlife, farmland and water resources.

 

Specific to this Dakota pipeline is that it was rerouted to go further away from a town and closer to lands controlled by two Sioux tribes.

 

There were also concerns regarding the use of eminent domain to condemn properties along the pipeline route in order to gain access, but I think most of those have been resolved.

 

That's the 1,000-foot view, best I can manage.

I think @Getslow is spot on. The biggest issue is Indian land, the environmentalist have glommed onto their plight to fuel the fire.

What are the benefits of these two pipelines?

 

I guess obviously it'll be work for many Americans. What else?

Broadly, there is an environmental conflict over the construction of more pipelines to transport fossil fuels as well as the pipelines' potential effect on wildlife, farmland and water resources.

 

Specific to this Dakota pipeline is that it was rerouted to go further away from a town and closer to lands controlled by two Sioux tribes.

 

There were also concerns regarding the use of eminent domain to condemn properties along the pipeline route in order to gain access, but I think most of those have been resolved.

 

That's the 1,000-foot view, best I can manage.

 

I think @Getslow is spot on. The biggest issue is Indian land, the environmentalist have glommed onto their plight to fuel the fire.

 

Thanks fellas.

 

At first glance, if it's going to disrupt Native American lands, I think I'm against it.

I admittedly am pretty minimally informed on this...but is the pipeline going to be used by/benefiting private companies once it is in place?

I'm very uninformed on this stuff.

 

Can someone give me an unbiased Cliff notes version of what the debate about this is?

 

The proposed Keystone XL pipeline starts from the same area in Alberta, Canada, as the Phase 1 pipeline. The Canadian section would consist of 526 kilometres (327 mi) of new pipeline. It would enter the United States at Morgan, Montana, and travel through Baker, Montana, where American-produced oil would be added to the pipeline; then it would travel through South Dakota and Nebraska, where it would join the existing Keystone pipelines at Steele City, Nebraska. This phase has generated the greatest controversy because of its routing over the Sandhills in Nebraska.

 

On 6 November 2015, the project of Keystone XL was rejected by the Obama administration after more than six years of review and initial approval by the Obama State Department.

 

Keystone Pipeline - Wikipedia

I admittedly am pretty minimally informed on this...but is the pipeline going to be used by/benefiting private companies once it is in place?

 

In the case of Keystone, it's owned by TransCanada. They charge other oil producers to transport the oil from Canada to Cushing or the Gulf.

Ultimately this pipeline gets oil from the ND shale shelf areas to the processing facilities in the south (TX/LA) where the logistical nerve center for petroleum exists.

 

It will benefit private companies and thankfully is not a government managed project or it would never get completed. Origin is Alberta, CA

 

It doesn't run across Indian land, but crosses under the river upstream from their land, as does another existing line.

 

This issue was not well publicized with the past administration until the protesting and water cannon issue was brought to light, likely because the former administration actually wanted the pipeline by all accounts, but it wasn't popular to bring that narrative home.

 

This was one that was left for Trump to handle and it was expected he would handle it in the manner he did.

 

I really don't think there's anything to see here unless someone makes a case for government overreach on right of way issues. This pipeline is truly needed to get this product from the fields to the refineries. Central US needs this project to be successful.

 

Worth noting that this project is a multi-phase project that is 3/4 complete. Phase IV is the current phase which is the XL phase. I do not believe there was any protest or outcry on first 3 phases.

In the case of Keystone, it's owned by TransCanada. They charge other oil producers to transport the oil from Canada to Cushing or the Gulf.

 

TransCanada is a Midstream group that facilitates movement between and through fields and refineries.

 

TransCanada does about $64 billion annual and employees roughly 8,000 people

I think @Getslow is spot on. The biggest issue is Indian land, the environmentalist have glommed onto their plight to fuel the fire.

 

Broadly, there is an environmental conflict over the construction of more pipelines to transport fossil fuels as well as the pipelines' potential effect on wildlife, farmland and water resources.

 

Specific to this Dakota pipeline is that it was rerouted to go further away from a town and closer to lands controlled by two Sioux tribes.

 

There were also concerns regarding the use of eminent domain to condemn properties along the pipeline route in order to gain access, but I think most of those have been resolved.

 

That's the 1,000-foot view, best I can manage.

 

I'm very uninformed on this stuff.

 

Can someone give me an unbiased Cliff notes version of what the debate about this is?

With the Dakota Access Pipeline, it is about cultural conflict. That is it.

 

The perception is one day Dakota Access showed up on the doorstep of an Indian Reservation ready to build unannounced. The reality is, the company, government, and other entities went through all protocol and series of approvals the past few years. Held multiple public hearings on the matter, etc.

 

And the objectionable portion at hand is to cross under a water source (a lake) the tribe utilizes, it is not under Standing Rock Reservation land. Despite receiving all approvals that it is safe, their position is that it will be (potentially) toxic to their water source. This whole thing has been exploited by anti-fossil fuel politics.

Relevant?

 

 

 

Canada oil pipeline spills 2

Relevant?

 

 

 

Canada oil pipeline spills 2, liters on aboriginal land

| Reuters

 

A pipeline in the western Canadian province of Saskatchewan has leaked 200,000 liters (52,834 gallons) of oil in an aboriginal community, the provincial government said on Monday.

 

The government was notified late in the afternoon on Friday, and 170,000 liters have since been recovered, said Doug McKnight, assistant deputy minister in the Ministry of the Economy, which regulates pipelines in Saskatchewan.

 

Oil pipelines are viewed by the oil-rich provinces of Alberta and Saskatchewan as a critical lifeline to move crude to the coast, but they have drawn fierce opposition from environmental and indigenous groups.

 

The spill came seven months after another major incident in Saskatchewan, in which a Husky Energy Inc pipeline leaked 225,000 liters into a major river and cut off the drinking water supply for two cities.

 

It was not immediately clear how the current incident happened or which company owns the underground pipeline that leaked the oil.

 

McKnight said Tundra Energy Marketing Inc, which has a line adjacent to the spill, is leading cleanup efforts.

 

"There are a number of pipes in the area," he told reporters in Regina. "Until we excavate it, we won't know with 100-percent certainty which pipe."

 

Tundra, a privately held unit of Canadian grain trading and energy conglomerate James Richardson and Sons Ltd, released a statement saying it is cooperating with all levels of government and will ensure "the affected land is restored appropriately."

 

The incident happened in the lands of the Ocean Man First Nation 140 km (87 miles) southeast of the provincial capital of Regina, according to the province.

 

McKnight said the spill has been contained in the low-lying area in which it was discovered. Ocean Man Chief Connie Big Eagle said the spill was 15 meters (50 feet) in diameter on Friday.

 

Ocean Man has 540 residents, one-third of whom live on the reserve, Big Eagle said.

 

She said an area resident who had smelled the scent of oil for a week located the spill and alerted her on Friday. The chief said there are no homes near the spill but it is about 400 meters (1,320 feet) from the local cemetery.

 

"We have got to make sure that Tundra has done everything that they can to get our land back to the way it was. That can take years," she said. "They have assured me that they follow up and they don't leave ... until we are satisfied."

 

And 6000 gallons of gasoline just went ablaze in Columbus on the highway yesterday, your point?

 

Electric Companies been dumping junk in rivers for years.

 

Solar panel companies leftovers contaminate the ground.