That's what change looks like.

 

Change in what?

The biggest positive for Trump is the line from Ford "This is a vote of confidence in Trumps econmic policies" or some form of that. Union workers in Michigan here new jobs because of Trump. That matters for Trump and the GOP.

 

Wow that was bad spelling I normally have time to comeback and edit.

They aren't creating new jobs. 700 temporary employees will become permanent employees. That statement means they already had jobs at the plant but they weren't getting the same benefits as permanent employees at the plant. They will now get those benefits. They aren't hiring 700 people off of the street. They are already there. In that aspect it isn't 700 new jobs.

 

200 jobs will still be going to the Mexico plant.

 

Instead of spending 1.6B to build a new plant in Mexico they will spend 700 million to expand in Michigan and they save money by simply making the temporary employees permanent employees.

 

Ford looks good by saying they are adding 700 jobs. Technically they are adding 700 new jobs but in reality they won't be hiring 700 people. Just converting them to permanent employees.

 

The local union looks good because they can tell those temporary employees they are now permanent. Local unions HATE temporary employees because they take away jobs from union members. The local union is now happy because they get their union jobs back and they get union dues from 700 people now.

 

Trump looks good because he "added more jobs before he was inaugurated."

 

This is why I'm not impressed. It is semantics and wordplay that people use to push their agendas.

Where did you read the 700 jobs aren't new but just making temps full time? I've read 20 articles all of them say these are new jobs.

Where did you read the 700 jobs aren't new but just making temps full time? I've read 20 articles all of them say these are new jobs.

 

 

Ford cancels Mexico plant, expands U.S. factory and adds 7

They aren't creating new jobs. 700 temporary employees will become permanent employees. That statement means they already had jobs at the plant but they weren't getting the same benefits as permanent employees at the plant. They will now get those benefits. They aren't hiring 700 people off of the street. They are already there. In that aspect it isn't 700 new jobs.

 

200 jobs will still be going to the Mexico plant.

 

Instead of spending 1.6B to build a new plant in Mexico they will spend 700 million to expand in Michigan and they save money by simply making the temporary employees permanent employees.

 

Ford looks good by saying they are adding 700 jobs. Technically they are adding 700 new jobs but in reality they won't be hiring 700 people. Just converting them to permanent employees.

 

The local union looks good because they can tell those temporary employees they are now permanent. Local unions HATE temporary employees because they take away jobs from union members. The local union is now happy because they get their union jobs back and they get union dues from 700 people now.

 

Trump looks good because he "added more jobs before he was inaugurated."

 

This is why I'm not impressed. It is semantics and wordplay that people use to push their agendas.

Does the Union know you are equating part time jobs to full time jobs?

Does the Union know you are equating part time jobs to full time jobs?

 

Your question confuses me.

Where did you read the 700 jobs aren't new but just making temps full time? I've read 20 articles all of them say these are new jobs.

 

Every article I have read says they are converting 700 temporary jobs to permanent jobs. No article has been linked in this thread saying differently.

Your question confuses me.

You stated that there is nothing to see here, based on that 700 part timers are going to be full time. You even mentioned that the Union loves that. You seemed to discount it a bit.

The biggest positive for Trump is the line from Ford "This is a vote of confidence in Trumps econmic policies" or some form of that. Union workers in Michigan here new jobs because of Trump. That matters for Trump and the GOP.

 

Agreed on all counts. At the same time this is no different than when democrats say unemployment is down and republicans say the numbers are incorrect.

You stated that there is nothing to see here, based on that 700 part timers are going to be full time. You even mentioned that the Union loves that. You seemed to discount it a bit.

 

They aren't part time workers. They are temporary workers. Part time employees and temporary employees are two different things. Temporary workers are workers brought in to do full time work for less pay and no benefits. Once those temporary employees are converted to permanent employees then they will make the same pay and have the same benefits as the permanent union members. And they will pay union dues. The union wins in this situation because they hate temporary workers and they will gain the union dues money.

 

Where I work they aren't allowed to bring in temporary employees. They have to hire people full time into our union. They would prefer to hire temporary employees from a temp service than hire folks full time and then have to lay them off when things get slower. Toyota utilizes temporary employees if I am not mistaken and I think you have to start as a temporary employee at Toyota before you are hired full time there.

 

Sorry for not being more clear with what I was trying to say.

Ford has increased US employment by 28k jobs (about 50% increase) over the last 5 years.

 

Ford also was the one of the Big Three that refused Government "Bail Out/Take Over"

 

I'm not saying it's connected just pointing out that they have pulled themselves up on their own, pretty much.

Ford also was the one of the Big Three that refused Government "Bail Out/Take Over"

 

I'm not saying it's connected just pointing out that they have pulled themselves up on their own, pretty much.

 

Did they get a loan from the government or was it a just in case loan? I know they didn't take "bailout money" but I keep seeing something about them taking a 9B line of credit from the government in case the economy worsened. I'm not clear on if they got that 9B or not though. Still researching.

Did they get a loan from the government or was it a just in case loan? I know they didn't take "bailout money" but I keep seeing something about them taking a 9B line of credit from the government in case the economy worsened. I'm not clear on if they got that 9B or not though. Still researching.

 

I'm not sure, I don't think they did. I read something a few years ago about how it put Ford in better shape going forward than GM because they didn't do the same deal.

One of the deals between the companies and UAW when automation (robots) replaced a lot of workers was to create 'job banks' where displaced employees would still draw up to 90% of their salary and benefits after the automation overhauls. The plan was to bring them back to work as things expanded with the planned growth (due to cost improvement of the automation/robots). Unforutnately, many in these job banks never returned to work since the growth did not happen.

 

Wonder if these job banks still exist and if that helps the enconomics of expanding in MI vs. building and hiring new in MX. Does in impact the number of 'new jobs' if some of the position are actually recalls of people still drawing the majority of their salary and benefits?

One of the deals between the companies and UAW when automation (robots) replaced a lot of workers was to create 'job banks' where displaced employees would still draw up to 90% of their salary and benefits after the automation overhauls. The plan was to bring them back to work as things expanded with the planned growth (due to cost improvement of the automation/robots). Unforutnately, many in these job banks never returned to work since the growth did not happen.

 

Wonder if these job banks still exist and if that helps the enconomics of expanding in MI vs. building and hiring new in MX. Does in impact the number of 'new jobs' if some of the position are actually recalls of people still drawing the majority of their salary and benefits?

 

I'd be interested in knowing the answer to your question. I also wonder if the job banks had a time limit to them and if they still exist.