Unusual situation. They normally show as many votes as it takes to be obvious who is voted out AND they strategically order the votes to create as much tension as possible. In this instance, some are speculating that Jeff showing 4 votes for Hannah means that is all the votes that were for Hannah. Not sure that is correct. Since all 4 of those votes are disregarded, only 5 votes are left which means 3 votes for any person ends it. Even if they showed all 5 votes for Hannah, 3 votes would still be needed for a single player to end it (2-2 tie still in play). By doing it this way, I think they create as much potential conflict as possible. Some may assume Will voted for Hannah and it wasn't shown because they didn't have to show it. Some may assume Will voted for Zeke and it was 1 of the 2 such votes not shown.

 

We'll presumably figure it out next week.

 

This is exactly how I was thinking it was.

Unusual situation. They normally show as many votes as it takes to be obvious who is voted out AND they strategically order the votes to create as much tension as possible. In this instance, some are speculating that Jeff showing 4 votes for Hannah means that is all the votes that were for Hannah. Not sure that is correct. Since all 4 of those votes are disregarded, only 5 votes are left which means 3 votes for any person ends it. Even if they showed all 5 votes for Hannah, 3 votes would still be needed for a single player to end it (2-2 tie still in play). By doing it this way, I think they create as much potential conflict as possible. Some may assume Will voted for Hannah and it wasn't shown because they didn't have to show it. Some may assume Will voted for Zeke and it was 1 of the 2 such votes not shown.

 

We'll presumably figure it out next week.

That is wrong, there are 2 ways Jeff reads a vote like last night. 1) Alternate Hannah/Zeke/Hannah/Zeke 2)All the votes for Hannah, then all the votes for Zeke. This is just the way its always been done and everyone knows it. It builds a lot suspense doing it way #2 when an idol is played because you have bunch of votes read and then everyone who voted for that person is on edge waiting to see who the other side voted for. At every tribal council ever Jeff has read every vote for the person who receives the 2nd most votes. The show is not trying to create conflict by the survivors not knowing who everyone voted for. Or if they don't know who flipped, they know exactly how many people switched even if they don't know who it is that flipped. I don't know if that made any sense or not, and I guess I explained it poorly to PP92 as well. But basically all you need to know is this is the way its always been done and everyone on the show without a doubt knows that Will voted for Zeke.

And they know because Jeff showed them every single vote even though they didn't show us on TV that Jeff showed them every single vote?

 

I would think that they are mostly fans an several super fans. They know how the producers line up the votes just like we do. They know if they dont know them all, they know where they went.

I would think that they are mostly fans an several super fans. They know how the producers line up the votes just like we do. They know if they dont know them all, they know where they went.

 

If Jeff only shows 4 Hannah votes and 3 Zeke votes how would they know the other 2 votes as fact is my issue.

If Jeff only shows 4 Hannah votes and 3 Zeke votes how would they know the other 2 votes as fact is my issue.

Because they watch the show and everyone knows from watching 33 seasons of the show that this is just the way it is. If there were more votes for Hannah Jeff would have read them. The only reason I know that is because that's simply the way it's always been. That's the only explanation I have is that it's always been this way. I understand where you're coming from because it seems like there is no way to know who the other 2 votes are for. But you just have to trust us when we say that it's always been this way.

That is wrong, there are 2 ways Jeff reads a vote like last night. 1) Alternate Hannah/Zeke/Hannah/Zeke 2)All the votes for Hannah, then all the votes for Zeke. This is just the way its always been done and everyone knows it. It builds a lot suspense doing it way #2 when an idol is played because you have bunch of votes read and then everyone who voted for that person is on edge waiting to see who the other side voted for. At every tribal council ever Jeff has read every vote for the person who receives the 2nd most votes. The show is not trying to create conflict by the survivors not knowing who everyone voted for. Or if they don't know who flipped, they know exactly how many people switched even if they don't know who it is that flipped. I don't know if that made any sense or not, and I guess I explained it poorly to PP92 as well. But basically all you need to know is this is the way its always been done and everyone on the show without a doubt knows that Will voted for Zeke.

 

2 of your statements above are contradicted by this very episode. We all agree that Jeff read 4 Hannah votes and then 3 Zeke votes, right? As such, he did NEITHER of the 2 ways you claim he ALWAYS does it.

 

1) Alternate Hannah/Zeke/Hannah/Zeke 2)All the votes for Hannah, then all the votes for Zeke. This is just the way its always been done and everyone knows it. Obviously he didn't alternate. Also, he didn't read "all the votes for Zeke." He read only 3 of the 5 votes for Zeke. Why? because with 4 votes cancelled, only 5 votes were valid and 3 for any single person would be enough to lock it up.

 

You also claim "At every tribal council ever Jeff has read every vote for the person who receives the 2nd most votes." As I explained, this is an unusual situation. They usually show all of the 2d person votes to create suspense to make it look as close as possible.

 

Finally, your point that "The show is not trying to create conflict by the survivors not knowing who everyone voted for." is not the way I have ever watched the show. In fact, in prior years they have specifically not shown votes to create conflict among those wondering who voted for who and how many votes were cast for someone.

2 of your statements above are contradicted by this very episode. We all agree that Jeff read 4 Hannah votes and then 3 Zeke votes, right? As such, he did NEITHER of the 2 ways you claim he ALWAYS does it.

 

1) Alternate Hannah/Zeke/Hannah/Zeke 2)All the votes for Hannah, then all the votes for Zeke. This is just the way its always been done and everyone knows it. Obviously he didn't alternate. Also, he didn't read "all the votes for Zeke." He read only 3 of the 5 votes for Zeke. Why? because with 4 votes cancelled, only 5 votes were valid and 3 for any single person would be enough to lock it up.

 

You also claim "At every tribal council ever Jeff has read every vote for the person who receives the 2nd most votes." As I explained, this is an unusual situation. They usually show all of the 2d person votes to create suspense to make it look as close as possible.

 

Finally, your point that "The show is not trying to create conflict by the survivors not knowing who everyone voted for." is not the way I have ever watched the show. In fact, in prior years they have specifically not shown votes to create conflict among those wondering who voted for who and how many votes were cast for someone.

Yes he did if you watch the credits after you see that Will voted for Zeke. So he did read all of the votes for Hannah and he read all of the votes for Zeke. He doesn't need to read the other 2 votes because Zeke already knew he was going home. I can promise you the show has never intentionally left votes unread so someone doesn't know how many votes went against them. I've watched every season and probably 2/3 of them twice. Jeff and the producers have not once left a meaningful vote unread if they don't read a vote it means it was implied that it was for the person that got voted out. They don't show who voted for who so you don't know who voted specifically for you, but you know how many people. In this case they knew because of what happened at camp before tribal with Will. The only thing unusual was Will getting called out as the swingvote in front of everyone. Nothing about the vote or the reading of the vote was unusual.

Yes he did if you watch the credits after you see that Will voted for Zeke. So he did read all of the votes for Hannah and he read all of the votes for Zeke. He doesn't need to read the other 2 votes because Zeke already knew he was going home. I can promise you the show has never intentionally left votes unread so someone doesn't know how many votes went against them. I've watched every season and probably 2/3 of them twice. Jeff and the producers have not once left a meaningful vote unread if they don't read a vote it means it was implied that it was for the person that got voted out. They don't show who voted for who so you don't know who voted specifically for you, but you know how many people. In this case they knew because of what happened at camp before tribal with Will. The only thing unusual was Will getting called out as the swingvote in front of everyone. Nothing about the vote or the reading of the vote was unusual.

 

False

False

Keep telling yourself that.

FWIW, I'm with you @GrantNKY

Just saw a preview for this week. Looks like 2 go home.

Just saw a preview for this week. Looks like 2 go home.

 

It seemed like this year they had a lot more contestants to begin with. How does this season compare to the number of contestants in previous seasons?

It seemed like this year they had a lot more contestants to begin with. How does this season compare to the number of contestants in previous seasons?

 

How many did they start with, 20? I feel like that is somewhat typical, but they dont always start with the same amount.

How many did they start with, 20? I feel like that is somewhat typical, but they dont always start with the same amount.

 

Yes they started with 20 contestants. According to Wikipedia, the average number of contestants is 18.

Yes they started with 20 contestants. According to Wikipedia, the average number of contestants is 18.

 

That would have been my guess. I feel like it's usually between 18-20. Probably depends some on how many tribes they start with.