You don't have to tell me that. I'm well aware that the Koran is peaceful. Many on here believe that true followers of Islam are radicals.

 

And some people on here (maybe you but I'm not sure) think the young preacher in the video is a radical that is a representation of the rest of us.

And some people on here (maybe you but I'm not sure) think the young preacher in the video is a radical that is a representation of the rest of us.

 

Umm, did you just completely ignore the last sentence of my post #27?

PP1, please forgive me for quoiting you and asking that question. I'm sure that you are a fine preacher, and if I'm not mistaken you are in NKY, and since I enjoy going to churches of other denominations I'm sure I'll run into you one day and not even know it.

 

But, I didn't mean those things that I said in my last couple of posts. But, it shows how ridiculous many people have become, even good people who follow the pack.

 

No Christian should be demanded to call out those preachers, churches, and other Christian who either say such hateful things or commit such hateful acts. BUT, many people expect all Muslims to come out the very second after an event to call out those who hide being Islam to carry out such horrific events.

 

Many people want to claim that Islam is not a peaceful religion, when we, we as in Christians, have our own brethren's who twist and turn our Holy book to fit their agenda.

 

I consider this preacher from Cali and the others like him being in the same boat as almost all street corner preachers that I have ever seen, again, I say "most", as I have run into at least two that I can remember who were only preaching the love and mercy of God, and who were not condemning anyone, THIS, THIS is the way to people's hearts and more importantly to their souls.

 

I know several Muslims, all are very nice, kind, gentle, and loving people, most are among the most pleasant and loving people that I have ever met. Some are like family to me, one is an actual family, were I escorted their young teen on a flight to and from their relatives in Paris. That family who lives in Cincy, are at times very concerned, not for their own lives, but for their kids. Both parents are working a lot, as they are like many other parents who want to work hard to make life easier for their kids than it was for them.

 

But, when I ask around most of my Muslim friends, at times I can see the concern and fear. Imagine, anytime you turn on the TV news, reports of people talking trash about not only you, but your religion, then having to come face to face with these hateful people in public. An example, I was working outside of a Bengals game last season, people leaving the game, and some drunk white guy for no reason just started shouting out "all Muslims (you can figure this word out, and telling of where Islam can go). Why? Why such hate?

 

Every time there is a radical who commits such horrible acts people expect that all over the world, all over TV and social media, that every single Muslim MUST call out those who bide behind their religion. And many people who are not Muslim want to self proclaim themselves as experts on Islam and the Quran and talk about how evil the religion is? These Christian preachers who are the topic of discussion in this thread, and those self proclaimed so called experts on the Bible who go in public to trash another religion, are actually a welcomed sight so to speak, as they clearly point out that there are people from Christianity who warp their Holy book and fit it into their agenda to hate. THIS, THIS is what satan wants, satan is the responsible, as satan wants people to fight over religion, he knows that religion is one key area that does divide people.

 

All who are Christian, I'm not asking for a response, but to yourself think, what did you first think of when you read about what these so called Christian preachers said? Or when you saw the videos? Christians should not be expected to have to disassociate themselves and speak out against these people spreading hate, and Muslims should not have to be expected to do it either.

 

It doesn't matter if this guy was a radical Islamist or not, he and his actions do not define an entire religion, as was pointed out above this post about how Christians are not defined over people warping the Bible to spread hate. It doesn't matter if Obama used the word Islamic extremist, and it doesn't matter if someone calls a Christian who commits such acts, such as the guy at the Colorado abortion clinic, being labeled a radical Christian. These people who commit such acts of violence should be up into the same boat no matter what religion that they follow, if any.

 

People only want to focus on those who can be labeled "Muslim extremists", but as I posted two days ago, and I don't think that anyone commented on what I said, since 2013 there has been about 188 school shootings, how many of those school shootings were committed by Muslims? The fact is, they were committed by non Muslims.

 

A terrorist act is a terrorist act no matter who committed the act. The Orlando shooting, Dylann Roof at the church, the Colorado abortion shooting, school shooters, are ALL the same! They are terrorists, on US soil, religion doesn't define these horrific acts.

 

This preacher, and others like him such as Pat Robertson, do in fact have a Christian following, some have a huge following, and they spread hate and twist the Holy Scriptures just as someone twisting the words of the Quran.

 

They are all the same. And again, no Christian should be expected to distance themselves from these preachers, just as no Muslim should be expected to distance themselves from someone twisting the meaning of the Quran.

 

I feel deeply for our Muslim brothers and sisters who have to endure non Muslims claiming that their religion is nothing but hate.

Just because some have asked for a list of Christian leaders who have said that the Orlando massacre was a good thing or from God. Here are 7 of them, it doesn't matter who they are, they do have a following and do claim to be Christian, Christian shouldn't be expected to defend themselves and come out against what they have said. BUT, many people expect Muslims to loudly speak out against anyone who twists the Quran to kill. It's simply not fare.

 

1) the pastor from Sacramento

2) Pat Robertson

3) Steven Anderson

4) Perry Noble

5) David Daubenmire

6) Bryan Fischer

7) Matt Barber

 

 

Mega church pastor Joel Hunter is now going back to review everything that he said, to make sure that he didn't say anything that could have been taken as hating gays and of killing them to be acceptable. Not saying that he did say anything, maybe he did, maybe he didn't, but some people will hear what they want to hear unless it is spelled out to them very very clearly.

Umm, did you just completely ignore the last sentence of my post #27?

 

 

I guess I did. Its hard to keep up with all posts from a whopping 3 hours ago.

I don't know if you're playing around with reverse psychology as a teaching tool of what it feels like to be painted so broadly

 

BINGO!

 

I'd be surprised if anyone on here really thought that I felt that way unless they are fairly new to BGP.

 

This is what happens whenever a Muslim or at least a brownish skinned person commits an act of terror, the broad stroke of painting all Muslims happens, including on BGP at times.

 

Some people in the world want to bash Islam left and right at every opportunity, yet when someone points at Christians the exact same way, it digs down deeply and strikes their last nerve?

 

As far as this event in Orlando, the guy left us with a very murky situation. Even with gay friends I tell them to use caution in considering this a hate crime against gay people, as we now know that this guy was gay. Since the guy was killed it's going to be difficult to say what his main reason was for committing this crime. Some will want to only look at it as "Yet another Muslim, Islam is evil" act of violence. And some, especially in the gay community. Will only look at it as "another act of violence against the gblt community. Both sides are very wrong. BUT, we ALL can agree that this was a horrific and tragic act of violence and innocent lives were lost, no need to label this shooting any other way.

I guess I did. Its hard to keep up with all posts from a whopping 3 hours ago.

 

I feel ya! A couple days ago coming back only having been gone an hour and there being 2-3 new pages.

PP1, on a side note, even though I don't recall posting in any of your threads in the religious forum about your sermons, I do read most of those threads and your sermons.

You're enjoying this aren't you?

 

There's none of it that I enjoy. I think it's all terribly, terribly sad. The shootings, the hate, misguided sermons...all of it.

Seems most do not want give Christians a break for what they believe but Muslims want all gays put to death and no one seems to care....

 

I care. I'm not upholding Muslims in the least. Muslims who wants gays dead are as bad as Christians who want gays dead.

You don't have to tell me that. I'm well aware that the Koran is peaceful. Many on here believe that true followers of Islam are radicals.

 

Correct. And have stated as much.

Correct. And have stated as much.

 

Muhammad Ali - gone and sadly forgotten by some.

Folks, I have a lot of Christian friends and they would never, never agree with the kind of things these two nutty preachers are saying. Most of my Christian friends believe that homosexuality is an abomination but they would never advocate the killing of gay people. There are good Christians and there are bad Christians. There are good Muslims and the are bad Muslims. Are there more Christian nuts or Muslim nuts? I have absolutely no idea. I just know that extremism, whether it's Christian or Muslim is a very bad thing. Also, if you think these two guys are the only nutso Christian preachers who believe this way then you definitely have your Jesus blinders on. I would venture a guess that there are hundreds of fundamentalist Christian preachers across this country that don't differ too much from Menendez and Anderson. Hell, I know three for sure just in my tiny little town. Look how many probably grew up listening to and admiring Pat Robertson. So when Pat says the kind of things he says I'm sure many preachers believe him.

 

These two guys are extremists, yes, but they are far from being just a tiny group of Christian preachers who believe this way. And yes, guys like this I do put in the same category as radical Muslims. All belong together on the Isle of Hate.

Pat Robertson said he was glad the gays died in Orlando ? Link please . Not that Pat isn't lilly white , he's said DUMB stuff before but I didn't think he was that level of unkind .

Pat Robertson said he was glad the gays died in Orlando ? Link please . Not that Pat isn't lilly white , he's said DUMB stuff before but I didn't think he was that level of unkind .