Upon what facts are you saying this quote from Jefferson is fake? How does your post support a reason for being conservative, as the thread requests?

 

I suppose the fact that no one can produce any evidence that Jefferson said it. It's listed as a "spurious quotation" by the Thomas Jefferson Foundation and they explain why here. Curiously, they note it only began to be attributed to Jefferson in 1994.

 

When government fears the people, there is liberty...(Quotation) | Thomas Jefferson's Monticello

 

Edmund Burke is widely regarded as the modern architect of the conservative philosophy with his Reflections on the Revolution in France (where my quote is from) being his seminal work in that regard. His book is a warning against the radical actions the impetuous French revolutionaries were about to undertake and an argument that order in society is the product of ancestral wisdom and should not so quickly be overturned. The quote here makes this case specific to democracy, which he feared would be intemperate and subversive to order.

 

I quoted him here as a juxtaposition to Jefferson, who was a fervent advocate of democracy and the French revolution, as Jefferson was (mis)quoted in this thread and I thought the comparison would draw out the notion that ideology is often nuanced and not so easily ascribed to our country's Founders. I also find some of these philosophical debates interesting.

 

Maybe I will just link to Ann Coulter's Twitter feed if I want to post in here again.

I suppose the fact that no one can produce any evidence that Jefferson said it. It's listed as a "spurious quotation" by the Thomas Jefferson Foundation and they explain why here. Curiously, they note it only began to be attributed to Jefferson in 1994.

 

When government fears the people, there is liberty...(Quotation) | Thomas Jefferson's Monticello

 

Edmund Burke is widely regarded as the modern architect of the conservative philosophy with his Reflections on the Revolution in France (where my quote is from) being his seminal work in that regard. His book is a warning against the radical actions the impetuous French revolutionaries were about to undertake and an argument that order in society is the product of ancestral wisdom and should not so quickly be overturned. The quote here makes this case specific to democracy, which he feared would be intemperate and subversive to order.

 

I quoted him here as a juxtaposition to Jefferson, who was a fervent advocate of democracy and the French revolution, as Jefferson was (mis)quoted in this thread and I thought the comparison would draw out the notion that ideology is often nuanced and not so easily ascribed to our country's Founders. I also find some of these philosophical debates interesting.

 

Maybe I will just link to Ann Coulter's Twitter feed if I want to post in here again.

 

One thing I learned long ago, folks.

 

Trust Habib.

Federalist #46 (Madison) has a long discussion about the people and states defeating a tyrannical federal government with the aid of an armed people.

 

Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of. Notwithstanding the military establishments in the several kingdoms of Europe, which are carried as far as the public resources will bear, the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms. And it is not certain, that with this aid alone they would not be able to shake off their yokes. But were the people to possess the additional advantages of local governments chosen by themselves, who could collect the national will and direct the national force, and of officers appointed out of the militia, by these governments, and attached both to them and to the militia, it may be affirmed with the greatest assurance, that the throne of every tyranny in Europe would be speedily overturned in spite of the legions which surround it.”

I suppose the fact that no one can produce any evidence that Jefferson said it. It's listed as a "spurious quotation" by the Thomas Jefferson Foundation and they explain why here. Curiously, they note it only began to be attributed to Jefferson in 1994.

 

When government fears the people, there is liberty...(Quotation) | Thomas Jefferson's Monticello

 

Edmund Burke is widely regarded as the modern architect of the conservative philosophy with his Reflections on the Revolution in France (where my quote is from) being his seminal work in that regard. His book is a warning against the radical actions the impetuous French revolutionaries were about to undertake and an argument that order in society is the product of ancestral wisdom and should not so quickly be overturned. The quote here makes this case specific to democracy, which he feared would be intemperate and subversive to order.

 

I quoted him here as a juxtaposition to Jefferson, who was a fervent advocate of democracy and the French revolution, as Jefferson was (mis)quoted in this thread and I thought the comparison would draw out the notion that ideology is often nuanced and not so easily ascribed to our country's Founders. I also find some of these philosophical debates interesting.

 

Maybe I will just link to Ann Coulter's Twitter feed if I want to post in here again.

 

Dear Sir: I too want nothing untrue. Thank you for researching this subject so thoroughly to correct an error. Our most humble deepest thanks to you. The main purpose of the liberal and conservative threads were to promote discussion of like minds. Never let it be said that we are posting untruths. Every effort will be made by our esteemed adversaries to dot each I and cross each t. We are forever in your debt for not allowing our error.

We need to stick to the issues, not each other.

Last warning, Vacation time coming...

" This country has gotten to where it is, in spite of politics, not by the aid of it. That we have carried so much political bunk as we have and still survived shows we are a super nation." Will Rogers

Remember that a government big enough to give you everything you want is also big enough to take away everything you have. — Barry Goldwater

That government is best which governs the least, because its people discipline themselves. — Thomas Jefferson

That government is best which governs the least, because its people discipline themselves. — Thomas Jefferson

 

This is another quote that for whatever reason got attributed to Jefferson, that he never said. This quote actually belongs to Henry David Thoreau, and comes from his essay, "Civil Disobedience" written a little over 20 years after Jefferson died. Thoreau wasn't exactly a stalwart conservative. Here is the quote in it's entirety:

 

I heartily accept the motto,—“That government is best which governs least;” and I should like to see it acted up to more rapidly and systematically. Carried out, it finally amounts to this, which I also believe,—“That government is best which governs not at all;” and when men are prepared for it, that will be the kind of government which they will have. Government is at best but an expedient; but most governments are usually, and all governments are sometimes, inexpedient.

—Thoreau, Civil Disobedience

 

Jefferson is one of the most misquoted figures in history.

Whoever said it, I like it. :thumb:

Whoever said it, I like it. :thumb:

 

Thoreau had some very liberal beliefs, and is a figure that had great influence on the teachings of guys like Ghandi and Martin Luther King, JR.

Thoreau had some very liberal beliefs, and is a figure that had great influence on the teachings of guys like Ghandi and Martin Luther King, JR.

 

Even a dummy can say some truth at times.....

Tax dodging, tree hugging hippy living in the woods. Of course he was a liberal.

Even a dummy can say some truth at times.....

 

And here we go again.....now the author of the quote is a dummy because he had liberal ideas. Do the insults ever stop??