That Jesus failed at the cross.

Some are hearing/ misunderstanding what he said, and all people who dislike Catholicism push this garbage around as they know many would eat it up.

 

Ref, I know you are not claiming it, it's just the people, and so called humans like Alex want to fan this kind of stuff for their own benefit.

Some are hearing/ misunderstanding what he said, and all people who dislike Catholicism push this garbage around as they know many would eat it up.

 

Ref, I know you are not claiming it, it's just the people, and so called humans like Alex want to fan this kind of stuff for their own benefit.

 

I didnt read this on info wars. I have read it on other sites that pop up.

Here is the quote:

 

"And if at times our efforts and works seem to fail and produce no fruit, we need to remember that we are followers of Jesus… and his life, humanly speaking, ended in failure, the failure of the cross.”

 

I think the interpretive clause is "Humanly speaking."

 

Very akin to Paul when he says in 1 Corinthians 1:

 

18 For the word of the cross is foolishness to those who [m]are perishing, but to us who [n]are being saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written,

 

 

“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise,

And the cleverness of the clever I will set aside.”

 

20 Where is the wise man? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? 21 For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not come to know God, God was well-pleased through the foolishness of the [o]message preached to save those who believe. 22 For indeed Jews ask for [p]signs and Greeks search for wisdom; 23 but we preach [q]Christ crucified, to Jews a stumbling block and to Gentiles foolishness, 24 but to those who are the called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

 

26 For [r]consider your calling, brethren, that there were not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble; 27 but God has chosen the foolish things of the world to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to shame the things which are strong, 28 and the base things of the world and the despised God has chosen, the things that are not, so that He may nullify the things that are, 29 so that no [t]man may boast before God. 30 But by His doing you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, [v]and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption, 31 so that, just as it is written, “Let him who boasts, boast in the Lord.”

 

If you just take that bolded part out and read it, it appears Paul is saying that the cross is foolishness.

That Jesus failed at the cross.

 

Full Quote:

 

" We can get caught up measuring the value of our apostolic works by the standards of efficiency, good management and outward success which govern the business world. Not that these things are unimportant! We have been entrusted with a great responsibility, and God’s people rightly expect accountability from us. But the true worth of our apostolate is measured by the value it has in God’s eyes. To see and evaluate things from God’s perspective calls for constant conversion in the first days and years of our vocation and, need I say, great humility. The cross shows us a different way of measuring success. Ours is to plant the seeds: God sees to the fruits of our labors. And if at times our efforts and works seem to fail and produce no fruit, we need to remember that we are followers of Jesus… and his life, humanly speaking, ended in failure, the failure of the cross "

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/24/nyregion/pope-francis-homily-at-st-patricks-cathedral.html?_r=1

The current and previous pope have a bad habit of using words that can be misconstrued. I not sure who reviews their speeches but he needs to look closer.

 

Pope Benedict almost got himself as an assassination target based on a comment about Islam which when taken by itself would seem offensive but when taken with his entire speech was not but when the media got ahold of that snippet, half the Middle East went insane. Francis has done the same a few times. John Paul II was the master of using the exact words for getting his point across.

The current and previous pope have a bad habit of using words that can be misconstrued. I not sure who reviews their speeches but he needs to look closer.

 

Pope Benedict almost got himself as an assassination target based on a comment about Islam which when taken by itself would seem offensive but when taken with his entire speech was not but when the media got ahold of that snippet, half the Middle East went insane. Francis has done the same a few times. John Paul II was the master of using the exact words for getting his point across.

 

I don't think it's an issue of bad habits of using words that can be misconstrued, I think it's just we live in a society today that thrives off of sound bites. Some are always looking for the smallest sound bite to either fit their agenda.

 

I mean come on, this is the Vicar of Christ. People only have to have listened to a very small amount of what he has said in the past to realize what he didn't mean. Or they could go back and read what he has said in the past about Christ on the Cross.

 

As you said, Benedict XVI had a very small snippet that someone took and ran with it, most likely done on purpose.

 

As was mentioned, "humanly speaking", the followers of Christ when He was here on Earth thought he fail at the Cross, even after He told them differently.

I don't think it's an issue of bad habits of using words that can be misconstrued, I think it's just we live in a society today that thrives off of sound bites. Some are always looking for the smallest sound bite to either fit their agenda.

 

I mean come on, this is the Vicar of Christ. People only have to have listened to a very small amount of what he has said in the past to realize what he didn't mean. Or they could go back and read what he has said in the past about Christ on the Cross.

 

As you said, Benedict XVI had a very small snippet that someone took and ran with it, most likely done on purpose.

 

As was mentioned, "humanly speaking", the followers of Christ when He was here on Earth thought he fail at the Cross, even after He told them differently.

 

Say it ain't so.

Say it ain't so.

 

And I'm not talking about the original poster of this thread or anyone on BGP, I'm talking about media, organizations ect...

And I'm not talking about the original poster of this thread or anyone on BGP, I'm talking about media, organizations ect...

 

No doubt,

I don't always agree with everything the Pope says, and have taken exception on occasion, but this is not one of them. I completely get what he was trying to say.

 

I also could have written the response of everyone who has posted in this thread so far, including the OP. That isn't to say it is a bad thing, just predictable.

I thought this was kind of funny.

 

I thought this was kind of funny.

 

 

Wow...that's a lot of protection. Hypothetical situation...if the Secret Service had seen a shooter, would they have put themselves physically between the shooter and the Pope (as they would with a President)?

I don't always agree with everything the Pope says, and have taken exception on occasion, but this is not one of them. I completely get what he was trying to say.

 

I also could have written the response of everyone who has posted in this thread so far, including the OP. That isn't to say it is a bad thing, just predictable.

 

I'm :scared: now. Are you with the CIA or something Tusi? How do you know me so well? :eek:

 

I am not a member of the CIA, or any other secret organization that you have ever heard of. :sneaky: