Woody, I have a question. If they are going to start counting "only boys" how do you figure CCH doesnt move up. If they were to do that now, you cant tell me that they would still be in a class with Highlands (who plays up).

Because you would be counting their WHOLE school...whats their enrollment?

 

The whole schools enrollment for the current school year 05/06 school year per the Catholicweb.com is 510...

1. VERY nice work, Sandman, on getting a sample 6A breakdown. I know -- from experience -- it takes HOURS to take enrollment figures from a PDF file and retype them (since PDF, can't simply be cut and pasted into Excel), then sort them in numerical order.

 

However, despite any of our best efforts to predict the actual breakdown, a couple of things will keep all of us guessing until the FINAL decision is made at the KHSAA level (and I would think they'll be tight-lipped about exactly how they'll do it until after the meeting).

 

* First, I do believe they've been up-front that they WILL (as they should) go strictly by MALE enrollment for football. I'm not sure if Sandman did his breakdown based on the TOTAL enrollment (as I had done previously) or on the most-recent MALE-ONLY enrollments (I didn't even know these were available online until a week or so ago). Using male-only makes a HUGE difference in where some teams would land -- some schools have many more males than females and others vice-versa.

 

* Second, I've heard NO scuttle-butt (other than on this board) from coaches "in-the-loop" or KHSAA people with which I've had the opportunity to speak on the issue that there will be smaller classes at the top and bottom classes due to the enrollment disparity in those classes (actually, if anything, I'm getting the idea from them that splitting into 6 EVEN classes -- about 36 in each class -- is actually GOOD ENOUGH to solve the disparity problem).

 

Those things being said, I'm wondering if Sandman (or anybody else)...

1. ...has been able to do ANY type of 6-class (as that how it appears they'll go) breakdown based on BOYS-ONLY enrollment? (I've started one, but I've only had time to get 1-3A done...and I'm worried mine has some errors as I might've left some new programs out (I know of Bishop-Brossart, Gallatin Co., Clinton Co., Jackson Co., but I'll bet I'm leaving some out) and may not have excluded some of the schools that will NOT be playing football from '07 on (I know of Harrodsburg, but I'd assumed Evarts, Cawood, and Cumberland would be merging into Harlan Co. Central by '07 but someone told me maybe not).

 

2. ...has done breakdowns of ALL possible scenarios using MALE-ONLY enrollment?

* 5-classes split evenly (42 or 43 per class)

* 5 classes with "Super 5A"

* 5 classes with "Small 1A" and "Super 5A"

* 6-classes split evenly (36 per class)

* 6-classes with "Super 6A"

* 6-classes with "Small 1A" and "Super 6A" (like Sandman's previous listing, which I THINK was based on "overall" enrollment).

 

...I'm sure I'm not the only inquiring mind that would like to know!

 

(Again, I'm working on it myself, but it'll be a while -- Dead Period? -- until I get time to enter in the male enrollments of ALL football playing schools).

 

In the meantime, if ANYONE with GOOD information about who WILL and WILL NOT be playing football in '07 (new programs, merging schools, etc.) could post them here, it'll help my (and anyone else's) breakdown be as accurate as possible).

The whole schools enrollment for the current school year 05/06 school year per the Catholicweb.com is 510...

Ok, thanks, thats all i needed....They are not as big as I thought.

Thanks.

Woody, I have a question. If they are going to start counting "only boys" how do you figure CCH doesnt move up. If they were to do that now, you cant tell me that they would still be in a class with Highlands (who plays up).

 

Just an FYI...Highlands does not CURRENTLY "play up." (NOBODY is allowed to do so in the CURRENT alignment.) Check the enrollment figures on the KHSAA website (http://www.khsaa.org) and you'll see that Highlands' enrollment makes them the fourth-smallest school in 3A.

 

There is a pretty good chance from what I'm hearing that in the NEW realignment teams MIGHT be allowed to "play up," but they're not RIGHT NOW. (I don't think teams have been allowed to "play up" in about 8 years.)

Woody, I have a question. If they are going to start counting "only boys" how do you figure CCH doesnt move up. If they were to do that now, you cant tell me that they would still be in a class with Highlands (who plays up).

 

 

Good question but I dont have the figures. Im not sure if those are posted or iif what Sandman used were adjusted? You could Pm him and check to see about that factor.

 

Highlands does not play up. No one plays up anymore to my knowledge.(if you are referring to the current/recent setup)

I believe KHSAA changed that around 1989?? (someone else probably knows for sure)

Ashland had played up in the higher division for years against Boone Co, etc until the KHSAA eliminated that option and we were dropped to 3A where we belonged.

 

Woody Jr

 

 

well I just see that others are on top of things here

Teams were allowed to "play up" until 1999.

Great thread everyone.

 

I am looking forward to more from you in this thread CoachJ!!!

Construction of Harlan County High School will start in July. It should open in August of 2008.

1. VERY nice work, Sandman, on getting a sample 6A breakdown. I know -- from experience -- it takes HOURS to take enrollment figures from a PDF file and retype them (since PDF, can't simply be cut and pasted into Excel), then sort them in numerical order.

 

However, despite any of our best efforts to predict the actual breakdown, a couple of things will keep all of us guessing until the FINAL decision is made at the KHSAA level (and I would think they'll be tight-lipped about exactly how they'll do it until after the meeting).

 

* First, I do believe they've been up-front that they WILL (as they should) go strictly by MALE enrollment for football. I'm not sure if Sandman did his breakdown based on the TOTAL enrollment (as I had done previously) or on the most-recent MALE-ONLY enrollments (I didn't even know these were available online until a week or so ago). Using male-only makes a HUGE difference in where some teams would land -- some schools have many more males than females and others vice-versa.

 

* Second, I've heard NO scuttle-butt (other than on this board) from coaches "in-the-loop" or KHSAA people with which I've had the opportunity to speak on the issue that there will be smaller classes at the top and bottom classes due to the enrollment disparity in those classes (actually, if anything, I'm getting the idea from them that splitting into 6 EVEN classes -- about 36 in each class -- is actually GOOD ENOUGH to solve the disparity problem).

 

Those things being said, I'm wondering if Sandman (or anybody else)...

1. ...has been able to do ANY type of 6-class (as that how it appears they'll go) breakdown based on BOYS-ONLY enrollment? (I've started one, but I've only had time to get 1-3A done...and I'm worried mine has some errors as I might've left some new programs out (I know of Bishop-Brossart, Gallatin Co., Clinton Co., Jackson Co., but I'll bet I'm leaving some out) and may not have excluded some of the schools that will NOT be playing football from '07 on (I know of Harrodsburg, but I'd assumed Evarts, Cawood, and Cumberland would be merging into Harlan Co. Central by '07 but someone told me maybe not).

 

2. ...has done breakdowns of ALL possible scenarios using MALE-ONLY enrollment?

* 5-classes split evenly (42 or 43 per class)

* 5 classes with "Super 5A"

* 5 classes with "Small 1A" and "Super 5A"

* 6-classes split evenly (36 per class)

* 6-classes with "Super 6A"

* 6-classes with "Small 1A" and "Super 6A" (like Sandman's previous listing, which I THINK was based on "overall" enrollment).

 

...I'm sure I'm not the only inquiring mind that would like to know!

 

(Again, I'm working on it myself, but it'll be a while -- Dead Period? -- until I get time to enter in the male enrollments of ALL football playing schools).

 

In the meantime, if ANYONE with GOOD information about who WILL and WILL NOT be playing football in '07 (new programs, merging schools, etc.) could post them here, it'll help my (and anyone else's) breakdown be as accurate as possible).

I'll have to get working on it, I know I did the leg work for all those possiblilities under the current system. I think that if you divide the classes equally, then don't do it. It just doesn't go far enough IMO. The disparity is not very much impacted and it will end up with a feel good solution that does nothing.

1,440 Trinity (Louisville)

1,390 St. Xavier

1,142 Paul Dunbar

1,084 Henderson County

1,008 Henry Clay

983 Lafayette

967 Eastern

936 Scott County

927 Pleasure Ridge Park

891 Daviess County

881 Seneca

842 Tates Creek

826 Central Hardin

823 DuPont Manual

816 Nelson County

803 Conner

801 George Rogers Clark

800 Madison Central

793 Ballard

772 Shelby County

772 Southern

772 Southwestern

768 Campbell County

763 Meade County

762 Boone County

736 Ryle

734 Male

725 Marshall County

722 Simon Kenton

716 North Hardin

713 Butler

701 Apollo

698 Greenwood

689 Graves County

687 Fern Creek

678 Bullitt Central

640 Christian County

636 Dixie Heights

635 South Laurel

631 John Hardin

630 North Laurel

627 Iroquois

621 Waggener

615 Bryan Station

611 Scott

610 Whitley County

609 Lincoln County

607 Oldham County

607 Ohio County

596 Warren Central

588 Grayson County

584 Barren County

583 Clay County

572 Montgomery County

571 Doss

570 Jeffersontown

550 Woodford County

550 Grant County

542 Owensboro

539 Perry County Central

535 Anderson County

535 Madisonville-North Hopkins

515 Johnson Central

515 Ashland Blazer

515 Harrison County

512 Hopkinsville

503 Holmes

497 Pulaski County

497 South Oldham

496 Hopkins Central

492 Valley

490 Bowling Green

490 West Jessamine

490 Boyd County

484 Calloway County

482 Logan County

475 Madison Southern

474 Franklin-Simpson

473 North Bullitt

472 Rockcastle County

471 Rowan County

467 Marion County

465 Western

464 McCreary Central

464 Covington Catholic

461 Allen County-Scottsville

461 Boyle County

459 Franklin County

458 Lexington Catholic

457 Knox Central

444 Bullitt East

443 Fairdale

439 Russell County

438 East Jessamine

437 Greenup County

431 Lawrence County

430 Pendleton County

430 Breckinridge County

426 Bourbon County

423 Highlands

422 Atherton

422 Bell County

421 Warren East

419 East Ridge

409 Mason County

408 Lone Oak

408 Muhlenberg North

400 Larue County

399 Taylor County

394 Elizabethtown

393 Powell County

385 Shawnee

380 Paducah Tilghman

369 Hart County

368 North Oldham

367 Mercer County

367 Pike Central

366 Russell

365 Adair County

364 Cawood

363 Fleming County

361 Moore

361 Spencer County

357 Butler County

356 Belfry

354 Garrard County

353 Muhlenberg South

349 Wayne County

349 Breathitt County

347 East Carter

346 Union County

346 Estill County

345 Casey County

341 Jackson County

340 Edmonson County

339 Knott Central

338 Western Hills

338 Lewis County

337 Leslie County

335 Lloyd Memorial

333 Magoffin County

333 Prestonsburg

332 Central

328 Henry County

328 Shelby Valley

322 Morgan County

322 Sheldon Clark

321 DeSales

317 Corbin

311 Heath

309 West Carter

309 Trigg County

308 Washington County

305 Owen County

304 Fort Campbell

300 Caldwell County

289 Monroe County

288 Glasgow

287 Todd Central

281 Owensboro Catholic

279 Danville

279 Carroll County

277 Christian Academy-Louisville

274 Bath County

274 Middlesboro

272 Webster County

272 Reidland

268 St. District

267 Hancock County

266 Newport

265 Bardstown

264 Newport Catholic

259 Fort Knox

255 Green County

253 McLean County

249 Somerset

243 Metcalfe County

241 Murray

240 Clinton County

238 Holy Cross (Covington)

231 Betsy Layne

226 Pikeville

225 Trimble County

222 Livingston Central

219 Lexington Christian

212 Ballard Memorial

212 Crittenden County

207 Mayfield

205 Bracken County

204 Evarts

194 Bishop Brossart

194 Wolfe County

189 Menifee County

189 Campbellsville

188 Gallatin County

188 South Floyd

188 Lee County

187 Berea

186 Russellville

186 Lynn Camp

183 Beechwood

176 Allen Central

176 Cumberland County

169 Nicholas County

169 Elliott County

163 Frankfort

160 Phelps

159 Ludlow

158 Walton-Verona

155 Dayton

151 Holy Cross (Louisville)

150 Cumberland

150 Harlan

148 Hazard

145 Raceland

144 Bethlehem

141 Lyon County

140 Fairview

138 Bellevue

134 Carlisle County

134 Owsley County

133 Monticello

133 Harrodsburg

127 Fulton County

123 Buckhorn

121 Paintsville

118 Covington Latin

117 Caverna

117 Paris

116 Kentucky Country Day

110 Sayre

110 Oneida Baptist Institute

109 Williamsburg

104 Williamstown

104 Hickman County

100 Letcher Central

99 Model

99 Calvary Christian

97 Eminence

97 Barbourville

94 Brown

91 Pineville

87 St. Mary

82 Jenkins

81 Dawson Springs

78 St. Francis

77 Whitefield Academy

77 Trinity (Whitesville)

76 Villa Madonna

72 Fulton City

68 Jackson City

68 Providence

66 Louisville Collegiate

62 Beth Haven

59 Deming

59 University Heights

59 Cordia

58 Red Bird

56 Burgin

55 Evangel Christian

50 Portland Christian

49 Community (Paducah)

47 St. Patrick

44 Silver Grove

42 Augusta

42 Frederick Fraize

36 Heritage

32 Rose Hill Christian

32 David School

32 Millersburg Military

31 Christian Fellowship

28 June Buchanan

27 Walden

26 Kentucky School f/t Deaf

22 Piarist

22 Riverside Christian

18 Kentucky School f/t Blind

 

Here is the enrollment by boys of ALL SCHOOLS in KY.

:thumb: Nice one Sandman....Now thats some skills.

6A 38 teams

 

1,440 Trinity (Louisville)

1,390 St. Xavier

1,142 Paul Dunbar

1,084 Henderson County

1,008 Henry Clay

983 Lafayette

967 Eastern

936 Scott County

927 Pleasure Ridge Park

891 Daviess County

881 Seneca

842 Tates Creek

826 Central Hardin

823 DuPont Manual

816 Nelson County

803 Conner

801 George Rogers Clark

800 Madison Central

793 Ballard

772 Shelby County

772 Southern

772 Southwestern

768 Campbell County

763 Meade County

762 Boone County

736 Ryle

734 Male

725 Marshall County

722 Simon Kenton

716 North Hardin

713 Butler

701 Apollo

698 Greenwood

689 Graves County

687 Fern Creek

678 Bullitt Central

640 Christian County

636 Dixie Heights

5A 38 teams

 

635 South Laurel

631 John Hardin

630 North Laurel

627 Iroquois

621 Waggener

615 Bryan Station

611 Scott

609 Lincoln County

607 Oldham County

607 Ohio County

596 Warren Central

588 Grayson County

584 Barren County

583 Clay County

572 Montgomery County

571 Doss

570 Jeffersontown

550 Woodford County

550 Grant County

542 Owensboro

539 Perry County Central

535 Anderson County

535 Madisonville-North Hopkins

515 Johnson Central

515 Ashland Blazer

515 Harrison County

512 Hopkinsville

503 Holmes

497 Pulaski County

497 South Oldham

496 Hopkins Central

492 Valley

490 Bowling Green

490 West Jessamine

490 Boyd County

484 Calloway County

482 Logan County

475 Madison Southern

4A in a 6 class system with 38 teams

 

474 Franklin-Simpson

473 North Bullitt

472 Rockcastle County

471 Rowan County

467 Marion County

465 Western

464 Covington Catholic

461 Allen County-Scottsville

461 Boyle County

459 Franklin County

458 Lexington Catholic

457 Knox Central

444 Bullitt East

443 Fairdale

439 Russell County

438 East Jessamine

437 Greenup County

430 Pendleton County

430 Breckinridge County

426 Bourbon County

423 Highlands

422 Atherton

422 Bell County

421 Warren East

419 East Ridge

409 Mason County

408 Lone Oak

408 Muhlenberg North

400 Larue County

399 Taylor County

394 Elizabethtown

393 Powell County

385 Shawnee

380 Paducah Tilghman

369 Hart County

368 North Oldham

367 Mercer County

367 Pike Central