3A in a 6 class system with 38 teams per class

 

366 Russell

365 Adair County

364 Cawood

363 Fleming County

361 Moore

361 Spencer County

357 Butler County

356 Belfry

354 Garrard County

353 Muhlenberg South

349 Wayne County

349 Breathitt County

347 East Carter

346 Union County

345 Casey County

341 Jackson County

340 Edmonson County

338 Western Hills

335 Lloyd Memorial

333 Magoffin County

332 Central

328 Henry County

328 Shelby Valley

322 Morgan County

321 DeSales

317 Corbin

309 West Carter

309 Trigg County

305 Owen County

304 Fort Campbell

300 Caldwell County

289 Monroe County

288 Glasgow

281 Owensboro Catholic

279 Danville

279 Carroll County

277 Christian Academy-Louisville

274 Bath County

2A in a 6 class system with 38 teams per class

 

274 Middlesboro

272 Webster County

272 Reidland

268 St. District

267 Hancock County

266 Newport

265 Bardstown

264 Newport Catholic

259 Fort Knox

255 Green County

249 Somerset

243 Metcalfe County

241 Murray

240 Clinton County

238 Holy Cross (Covington)

226 Pikeville

225 Trimble County

219 Lexington Christian

212 Ballard Memorial

204 Evarts

194 Bishop Brossart

194 Wolfe County

189 Menifee County

188 Gallatin County

188 Lee County

187 Berea

186 Lynn Camp

176 Cumberland County

163 Frankfort

160 Phelps

159 Ludlow

158 Walton-Verona

155 Dayton

151 Holy Cross (Louisville)

150 Harlan

145 Raceland

144 Bethlehem

140 Fairview

1A in a 6 class system

 

274 Middlesboro

272 Webster County

272 Reidland

268 St. District

267 Hancock County

266 Newport

265 Bardstown

264 Newport Catholic

259 Fort Knox

255 Green County

249 Somerset

243 Metcalfe County

241 Murray

240 Clinton County

238 Holy Cross (Covington)

226 Pikeville

225 Trimble County

219 Lexington Christian

212 Ballard Memorial

204 Evarts

194 Bishop Brossart

194 Wolfe County

189 Menifee County

188 Gallatin County

188 Lee County

187 Berea

186 Lynn Camp

176 Cumberland County

163 Frankfort

160 Phelps

159 Ludlow

158 Walton-Verona

155 Dayton

151 Holy Cross (Louisville)

150 Harlan

145 Raceland

144 Bethlehem

140 Fairview

Biggest problem I see is some of these schools that the KHSAA says have football don't. But hey it's close.

I dont see Beechwood, but I assuming....accually I wont assume.. will they be in 1A?

Great work Sandman.

 

Just to begin it looks like the combination of Mercer & Harrodsburg puts them at 500 - just below Hoptown/Cov Holmes and above Pulaski Co/So Oldham

 

If Cawood, Evarts & Cumberland were combined that would put them at 718 - just below Marshall Co/Simon Kenton and above No Hardin/Butler

 

 

The earlier talk about a 16 team division definitely looks tough to do at the top. From your early numbers that is Conner but there are so many other schools with numbers close that it doesnt look like a natural or common sense break to use IMO. There is a small break in #'s after Boone (#25 on the list) or you could include Male (#27) to keep some tradition in the division. I understand why you gave us an example with Dixie in the top division (I believe) but to me it doesnt look like that is a good place for a break [i DO realize they have to break it somewhere and that we can't always make a natural division, # wise between certain school in seperate classifications].

Also I just dont think the 38 team setup "appears" to solve the #'s discrepancy issue - the top team has way more than double the #'s that the bottom team does. I'm not challenging Dixie's performances in any way, just talking from a pure logical #'s viewpoint. I bring these points up only to add to the discussion - b/c I do not have a great solution here either:sssh:

 

 

Just from an overall look, not trying to see how this makes anyone more or less competitive wise - I sorta do not like the looks of only 38 +/- teams in a division. It seems very diluted to me. I have no idea how many there are now, this could be almost the same & I just don't realize it - but with 38 teams we are talking basically only what equates to a little more than just the teams involved in basketball's 16 regional finals games (that plus 6).

WITHOUT looking to see how it effects YOUR team's ability to win a title, etc. - how do others feel about the # of teams in a division?

 

 

Again, thanks to sandman for more of his great work:thumb: it's a great help to all of us. None of my comments are meant as a slam towards your effort or anyones team.

 

Cheers, Woody Jr

1,440 Trinity (Louisville)

1,390 St. Xavier

1,142 Paul Dunbar

1,084 Henderson County

1,008 Henry Clay

983 Lafayette

967 Eastern

936 Scott County

927 Pleasure Ridge Park

891 Daviess County

881 Seneca

842 Tates Creek

826 Central Hardin

823 DuPont Manual

816 Nelson County

803 Conner

801 George Rogers Clark

800 Madison Central

793 Ballard

772 Shelby County

772 Southern

772 Southwestern

768 Campbell County

763 Meade County

762 Boone County

736 Ryle

734 Male

725 Marshall County

722 Simon Kenton

716 North Hardin

713 Butler

701 Apollo

698 Greenwood

689 Graves County

687 Fern Creek

678 Bullitt Central

640 Christian County

636 Dixie Heights

635 South Laurel

631 John Hardin

630 North Laurel

627 Iroquois

621 Waggener

615 Bryan Station

611 Scott

610 Whitley County

609 Lincoln County

607 Oldham County

607 Ohio County

596 Warren Central

588 Grayson County

584 Barren County

583 Clay County

572 Montgomery County

571 Doss

570 Jeffersontown

550 Woodford County

550 Grant County

542 Owensboro

539 Perry County Central

535 Anderson County

535 Madisonville-North Hopkins

515 Johnson Central

515 Ashland Blazer

515 Harrison County

512 Hopkinsville

503 Holmes

497 Pulaski County

497 South Oldham

496 Hopkins Central

492 Valley

490 Bowling Green

490 West Jessamine

490 Boyd County

484 Calloway County

482 Logan County

475 Madison Southern

474 Franklin-Simpson

473 North Bullitt

472 Rockcastle County

471 Rowan County

467 Marion County

465 Western

464 Covington Catholic

464 McCreary Central

461 Allen County-Scottsville

461 Boyle County

459 Franklin County

458 Lexington Catholic

457 Knox Central

444 Bullitt East

443 Fairdale

439 Russell County

438 East Jessamine

437 Greenup County

431 Lawrence County

430 Pendleton County

426 Bourbon County

423 Highlands

422 Atherton

422 Bell County

421 Warren East

419 East Ridge

409 Mason County

408 Lone Oak

408 Muhlenberg North

400 Larue County

399 Taylor County

394 Elizabethtown

393 Powell County

385 Shawnee

380 Paducah Tilghman

369 Hart County

368 North Oldham

367 Mercer County

367 Pike Central

366 Russell

365 Adair County

364 Cawood

363 Fleming County

361 Moore

361 Spencer County

357 Butler County

356 Belfry

354 Garrard County

353 Muhlenberg South

349 Wayne County

349 Breathitt County

347 East Carter

346 Union County

346 Estill County

345 Casey County

340 Edmonson County

339 Knott Central

338 Western Hills

338 Lewis County

337 Leslie County

335 Lloyd Memorial

333 Magoffin County

333 Prestonsburg

328 Henry County

328 Shelby Valley

322 Morgan County

322 Sheldon Clark

321 DeSales

317 Corbin

311 Heath

309 West Carter

309 Trigg County

308 Washington County

305 Owen County

304 Fort Campbell

300 Caldwell County

289 Monroe County

288 Glasgow

287 Todd Central

281 Owensboro Catholic

279 Danville

279 Carroll County

277 Christian Academy-Louisville

274 Bath County

274 Middlesboro

272 Webster County

272 Reidland

267 Hancock County

266 Newport

265 Bardstown

264 Newport Catholic

259 Fort Knox

255 Green County

253 McLean County

249 Somerset

243 Metcalfe County

241 Murray

238 Holy Cross (Covington)

231 Betsy Layne

226 Pikeville

225 Trimble County

219 Lexington Christian

212 Ballard Memorial

212 Crittenden County

207 Mayfield

205 Bracken County

204 Evarts

194 Bishop Brossart

189 Campbellsville

188 South Floyd

187 Berea

186 Lynn Camp

186 Russellville

183 Beechwood

176 Allen Central

169 Nicholas County

163 Frankfort

160 Phelps

159 Ludlow

158 Walton-Verona

155 Dayton

151 Holy Cross (Louisville)

150 Harlan

150 Cumberland

148 Hazard

145 Raceland

144 Bethlehem

140 Fairview

138 Bellevue

133 Harrodsburg

127 Fulton County

121 Paintsville

117 Caverna

117 Paris

116 Kentucky Country Day

109 Williamsburg

97 Eminence

91 Pineville

82 Jenkins

55 Evangel Christian

 

 

OK, here are 217 schools I matched up against the present classes, and also added the non-classified teams as of yet. I'm sure someone is not in here so feel free to let me know.

Class 6A evenly divided. (please remove my earlier posts on speculation of the classes in a 6A system.)

 

1,440 Trinity (Louisville)

1,390 St. Xavier

1,142 Paul Dunbar

1,084 Henderson County

1,008 Henry Clay

983 Lafayette

967 Eastern

936 Scott County

927 Pleasure Ridge Park

891 Daviess County

881 Seneca

842 Tates Creek

826 Central Hardin

823 DuPont Manual

816 Nelson County

803 Conner

801 George Rogers Clark

800 Madison Central

793 Ballard

772 Shelby County

772 Southern

772 Southwestern

768 Campbell County

763 Meade County

762 Boone County

736 Ryle

734 Male

725 Marshall County

722 Simon Kenton

716 North Hardin

713 Butler

701 Apollo

698 Greenwood

689 Graves County

687 Fern Creek

678 Bullitt Central

 

640 Christian County

636 Dixie Heights

635 South Laurel

631 John Hardin

630 North Laurel

627 Iroquois

621 Waggener

615 Bryan Station

611 Scott

610 Whitley County

609 Lincoln County

607 Oldham County

607 Ohio County

596 Warren Central

588 Grayson County

584 Barren County

583 Clay County

572 Montgomery County

571 Doss

570 Jeffersontown

550 Woodford County

550 Grant County

542 Owensboro

539 Perry County Central

535 Anderson County

535 Madisonville-North Hopkins

515 Johnson Central

515 Ashland Blazer

515 Harrison County

512 Hopkinsville

503 Holmes

497 Pulaski County

497 South Oldham

496 Hopkins Central

492 Valley

490 Bowling Green

Class 4A

490 West Jessamine

490 Boyd County

484 Calloway County

482 Logan County

475 Madison Southern

474 Franklin-Simpson

473 North Bullitt

472 Rockcastle County

471 Rowan County

467 Marion County

465 Western

464 Covington Catholic

464 McCreary Central

461 Allen County-Scottsville

461 Boyle County

459 Franklin County

458 Lexington Catholic

457 Knox Central

444 Bullitt East

443 Fairdale

439 Russell County

438 East Jessamine

437 Greenup County

431 Lawrence County

430 Pendleton County

426 Bourbon County

423 Highlands

422 Atherton

422 Bell County

421 Warren East

419 East Ridge

409 Mason County

408 Lone Oak

408 Muhlenberg North

400 Larue County

399 Taylor County

Class 3A

394 Elizabethtown

393 Powell County

385 Shawnee

380 Paducah Tilghman

369 Hart County

368 North Oldham

367 Mercer County

367 Pike Central

366 Russell

365 Adair County

364 Cawood

363 Fleming County

361 Moore

361 Spencer County

357 Butler County

356 Belfry

354 Garrard County

353 Muhlenberg South

349 Wayne County

349 Breathitt County

347 East Carter

346 Union County

346 Estill County

345 Casey County

340 Edmonson County

339 Knott Central

338 Western Hills

338 Lewis County

337 Leslie County

335 Lloyd Memorial

333 Magoffin County

333 Prestonsburg

328 Henry County

328 Shelby Valley

322 Morgan County

322 Sheldon Clark

Class 2A

321 DeSales

317 Corbin

311 Heath

309 West Carter

309 Trigg County

308 Washington County

305 Owen County

304 Fort Campbell

300 Caldwell County

289 Monroe County

288 Glasgow

287 Todd Central

281 Owensboro Catholic

279 Danville

279 Carroll County

277 Christian Academy-Louisville

274 Bath County

274 Middlesboro

272 Webster County

272 Reidland

267 Hancock County

266 Newport

265 Bardstown

264 Newport Catholic

259 Fort Knox

255 Green County

253 McLean County

249 Somerset

243 Metcalfe County

241 Murray

238 Holy Cross (Covington)

231 Betsy Layne

226 Pikeville

225 Trimble County

219 Lexington Christian

212 Ballard Memorial

Class 1A

212 Crittenden County

207 Mayfield

205 Bracken County

204 Evarts

194 Bishop Brossart

189 Campbellsville

188 South Floyd

187 Berea

186 Lynn Camp

186 Russellville

183 Beechwood

176 Allen Central

169 Nicholas County

163 Frankfort

160 Phelps

159 Ludlow

158 Walton-Verona

155 Dayton

151 Holy Cross (Louisville)

150 Harlan

150 Cumberland

148 Hazard

145 Raceland

144 Bethlehem

140 Fairview

138 Bellevue

133 Harrodsburg

127 Fulton County

121 Paintsville

117 Caverna

117 Paris

116 Kentucky Country Day

109 Williamsburg

97 Eminence

91 Pineville

82 Jenkins

55 Evangel Christian

5A

1,440 Trinity (Louisville)

1,390 St. Xavier

1,142 Paul Dunbar

1,084 Henderson County

1,008 Henry Clay

983 Lafayette

967 Eastern

936 Scott County

927 Pleasure Ridge Park

891 Daviess County

881 Seneca

842 Tates Creek

826 Central Hardin

823 DuPont Manual

816 Nelson County

803 Conner

801 George Rogers Clark

800 Madison Central

793 Ballard

772 Shelby County

772 Southern

772 Southwestern

768 Campbell County

763 Meade County

762 Boone County

736 Ryle

734 Male

725 Marshall County

722 Simon Kenton

716 North Hardin

713 Butler

701 Apollo

698 Greenwood

689 Graves County

687 Fern Creek

678 Bullitt Central

640 Christian County

636 Dixie Heights

635 South Laurel

631 John Hardin

630 North Laurel

627 Iroquois

621 Waggener

Class 4A

615 Bryan Station

611 Scott

610 Whitley County

609 Lincoln County

607 Oldham County

607 Ohio County

596 Warren Central

588 Grayson County

584 Barren County

583 Clay County

572 Montgomery County

571 Doss

570 Jeffersontown

550 Woodford County

550 Grant County

542 Owensboro

539 Perry County Central

535 Anderson County

535 Madisonville-North Hopkins

515 Johnson Central

515 Ashland Blazer

515 Harrison County

512 Hopkinsville

503 Holmes

497 Pulaski County

497 South Oldham

496 Hopkins Central

492 Valley

490 Bowling Green

490 West Jessamine

490 Boyd County

484 Calloway County

482 Logan County

475 Madison Southern

474 Franklin-Simpson

473 North Bullitt

472 Rockcastle County

471 Rowan County

467 Marion County

465 Western

464 Covington Catholic

464 McCreary Central

461 Allen County-Scottsville

Class 3A

461 Boyle County

459 Franklin County

458 Lexington Catholic

457 Knox Central

444 Bullitt East

443 Fairdale

439 Russell County

438 East Jessamine

437 Greenup County

431 Lawrence County

430 Pendleton County

426 Bourbon County

423 Highlands

422 Atherton

422 Bell County

421 Warren East

419 East Ridge

409 Mason County

408 Lone Oak

408 Muhlenberg North

400 Larue County

399 Taylor County

394 Elizabethtown

393 Powell County

385 Shawnee

380 Paducah Tilghman

369 Hart County

368 North Oldham

367 Mercer County

367 Pike Central

366 Russell

365 Adair County

364 Cawood

363 Fleming County

361 Moore

361 Spencer County

357 Butler County

356 Belfry

354 Garrard County

353 Muhlenberg South

349 Wayne County

349 Breathitt County

347 East Carter

Class 2A

346 Union County

346 Estill County

345 Casey County

340 Edmonson County

339 Knott Central

338 Western Hills

338 Lewis County

337 Leslie County

335 Lloyd Memorial

333 Magoffin County

333 Prestonsburg

328 Henry County

328 Shelby Valley

322 Morgan County

322 Sheldon Clark

321 DeSales

317 Corbin

311 Heath

309 West Carter

309 Trigg County

308 Washington County

305 Owen County

304 Fort Campbell

300 Caldwell County

289 Monroe County

288 Glasgow

287 Todd Central

281 Owensboro Catholic

279 Danville

279 Carroll County

277 Christian Academy-Louisville

274 Bath County

274 Middlesboro

272 Webster County

272 Reidland

267 Hancock County

266 Newport

265 Bardstown

264 Newport Catholic

259 Fort Knox

255 Green County

253 McLean County

249 Somerset

243 Metcalfe County

Class 1A

241 Murray

238 Holy Cross (Covington)

231 Betsy Layne

226 Pikeville

225 Trimble County

219 Lexington Christian

212 Ballard Memorial

212 Crittenden County

207 Mayfield

205 Bracken County

204 Evarts

194 Bishop Brossart

189 Campbellsville

188 South Floyd

187 Berea

186 Lynn Camp

186 Russellville

183 Beechwood

176 Allen Central

169 Nicholas County

163 Frankfort

160 Phelps

159 Ludlow

158 Walton-Verona

155 Dayton

151 Holy Cross (Louisville)

150 Harlan

150 Cumberland

148 Hazard

145 Raceland

144 Bethlehem

140 Fairview

138 Bellevue

133 Harrodsburg

127 Fulton County

121 Paintsville

117 Caverna

117 Paris

116 Kentucky Country Day

109 Williamsburg

97 Eminence

91 Pineville

82 Jenkins

55 Evangel Christian

Even though I don't know all the teams I'll make an observation:

 

At first glance the 3A might be a little weak? - you have Russell, Belfry, (mercerberg should move up?), & I guess Tilghman

 

4A is flat out scary, I mean wicked scary :scared: :fire:

 

5A has maybe the nicest spread of new teams, plus some definite strength at the top end (which is to be figured). As an Ashland fan it doesnt give us much in the way of natural matchups or games likely to draw a crowd IMO. Other than J.Central (1 hr trip) all the others are a 2+ hour trip. I'm sure that other teams out in the state may have similar issues, but the smaller the class, the more likely that travel will be an issue for everyone outside the triangle corners. I suppose if the district is only 4 teams that allows you to schedule more natural rivals & money opportunities, but if the districts are bigger it could be a problem $wise IMO.

 

6A - whadda ya gonna do? Who knows:confused:

 

thanx sandman,

 

Woody Jr

1A gets a little more heft to it with Coach J and the Panthers back in it:D

 

in 2A I guess the OC could just go to Newport every other year and play that winner for the title

 

3A a Real Nice Class - taking the best of 2A with some good ones of 3A would make a really nice competitive class IMO:thumb:

 

4A keeps some of the strongest 3A teams and adds in some of the bigger schools. I'm not familiar with the strength of those programs recently & this classification would lose some of it's "name" powers down to 3A. As an Ashland fan, I do recall playing Lincoln Co in the 3A title game yrs ago and of course remember the glory years of BS - battling the defenders in the playoffs alot.

 

5A no real change as far as the "issues" for those teams it seems. Im sure others will comment :thumb:

 

Great work Sandman

 

Im for the 5 divisions - which I stated long ago before seeing your breakdown.

What are your thoughts on these options? if you have any brain cells left from all this work that is :thumb: :sleep: :sleep:

 

Woody Jr

Sandman,

 

Great work! How about taking your best breakdown from this thread and starting a new thread? If you could do it in four forms I think it would be idea:

 

1. Even breakdown

2. Super 6A and then five even breakdowns

3. Super 6A and Super 1A and four even breakdowns

4. Super 5A and four even breakdowns