how would that be fair for the other 14 schools in T and X? Sure be better for everyone else, but T and X still would almost double the Male enrollment of the biggest public school.

What should we do? Split up into four seperate teams, guess what? One of ours is still going to win, regardless of size, we are better than most....year in and year out.

At first glance, the 6A sounds like it would be just too few schools to be all that feasible... 16 teams spread across the state would make for some unreal regular season travel times.

Actually if you made 4 team districts and 8 team regions, we would be able to schedule a real sexy schedule.

What I would also consider doing is not making any districts (or make them very small districts) for 1A and 6A.

 

This is where the KHSAA can come in, if they start taking some of the postseason gates they would be in a position to ease the costs for the 1A and 6A teams if travel was an issue for district games.

 

All of this can work if the powers to be want it to work.

A

Beth Haven

Pineville

Jenkins

Paris

Fulton City

Fairview

Harrodsburg

Kentucky Country Day

Williamsburg

Paintsville

Fulton County

Bellevue

Caverna

Ludlow

Phelps

Dayton

 

2A

Harlan

Raceland

Fleming-Neon

Berea

Bethlehem

Beechwood

Cumberland

Frankfort

Nicholas County

Holy Cross (Louisville)

Hazard

Lynn Camp

Russellville

Pikeville

Campbellsville

Lexington Christian

Ballard Memorial

Mayfield

Crittenden County

South Floyd

Evarts

Metcalfe County

Hancock County

Trimble County

Allen Central

Newport Central Catholic

Murray

Holy Cross (Covington)

McLean County

Danville

Carroll County

Somerset

Christian Academy-Louisville

Bath County

Fort Knox

Owen County

Bardstown

Green County

Todd County Central

West Carter

Glasgow

Middlesboro

Trigg County

Corbin

Edmonson County

 

3A

Fort Campbell

Reidland

Whitesburg

Monroe County

Lloyd Memorial

Washington County

Heath

Shawnee

Webster County

Henry County

Caldwell County

Moore

Belfry

Butler County

Breathitt County

Newport

Shelby Valley

Western

Mercer County

DeSales

Garrard County

Morgan County

Owensboro Catholic

Casey County

Hart County

Leslie County

East Carter

Prestonsburg

Pike County Central

East Ridge

Fleming County

Larue County

Lewis County

Russell

Muhlenberg South

North Oldham

Knott County Central

Elizabethtown

Estill County

Powell County

Sheldon Clark

Russell County

Wayne County

Lone Oak

Cawood

 

4A

Magoffin County

Union County

Adair County

Taylor County

Mason County

Paducah Tilghman

Franklin-Simpson

Madison Southern

Highlands

Lawrence County

Pendleton County

Western Hills

Rockcastle County

West Jessamine

Bourbon County

Fairdale

Boyle County

Bell County

Warren East

Knox Central

Bullitt East

Lexington Catholic

Allen County-Scottsville

North Bullitt

Waggener

Breckinridge County

Marion County

Franklin County

Hopkins County Central

Greenup County

South Oldham

Harrison County

East Jessamine

Calloway County

Logan County

Anderson County

Doss

Grant County

Covington Catholic

Boyd County

Valley

Central

Ashland Blazer

Bowling Green

Hopkinsville

 

5A

Oldham County

Pulaski Southwestern

Clay County

Lincoln County

Pulaski County

Madisonville-North Hopkins

Jeffersontown

Perry County Central

Owensboro

Iroquois

Holmes

Atherton

Johnson Central

Montgomery County

Warren Central

Dixie Heights

Scott

Woodford County

Whitley County

John Hardin

Barren County

Fern Creek

South Laurel

Ohio County

North Laurel

Grayson County

Bullitt Central

Ryle

Graves County

Simon Kenton

Conner

Christian County

Greenwood

Boone County

Apollo

Southern

Marshall County

Madison Central

George Rogers Clark

Nelson County

Bryan Station

Shelby County

Central Hardin

Campbell County

Meade County

Butler

 

6A

North Hardin

Scott County

Daviess County

Male

Henderson County

Eastern

Henry Clay

Ballard

Seneca

Tates Creek

DuPont Manual

Pleasure Ridge Park

Lafayette

Paul Dunbar

Trinity (Louisville)

St. Xavier

 

I'm sure this is not 100% correct, as the legwork that created this list is old, but it should give you an idea and be somewhere in the ball park.

 

1A 16 schools

2A 45 schools

3A 45 schools

4A 45 schools

5A 46 schools

6A 16 schools

Based on this model, how diluted can it be? The smallest and largest should be "competitive" with each other. The 2A thru 5A classes go from 53 or 54 schools to 45 or 46 in a class and there is less of a size disparity, how is that a bad thing? It also keeps us from a public vs. private split. So again, how is this a bad thing?

Is there anyone else who feels that the future of KY is more consolidations?

 

That would mean fewer & fewer 1A and/or 2A schools and more & more 4A schools probably (or 5A??)

 

ie., a 16 team 1A division could maybe find itself real short soon?

Just asking b/c I had heard no one mention the possibility of Harrodsburg's loss anytime this topic was discussed

 

Woody Jr

 

 

 

I don't think there are too many possible consolidations left unless we do something about the fact that we have way too many counties in Kentucky.

 

If you have 16 in a class, do you go with four four-team regions? If you allow teams to play up and have only 16 in a class, what do you do if four or five teams want to play up? I asked this question on a previous thread and no one answered. I think the playing up theory must sound good to people, but they don't want to hear about the potential problems that must be addressed.

I don't think there are too many possible consolidations left unless we do something about the fact that we have way too many counties in Kentucky.

 

If you have 16 in a class, do you go with four four-team regions? If you allow teams to play up and have only 16 in a class, what do you do if four or five teams want to play up? I asked this question on a previous thread and no one answered. I think the playing up theory must sound good to people, but they don't want to hear about the potential problems that must be addressed.

1A, It would require the consent of a larger school in the next class and the KHSAA to let the school next smallest willing to drop down and who's program was struggling at the current level to drop down. 2 thru 4 should have to stay put. 5A teams should have the option if a 6A team historically has had trouble competeing at the current 4A level and petitions the KHSAA for consideration to drop down a level. If no school wishes to drop down a level the petition should be denied. it should be mandatory to maintain only 16 teams in 1A and 6A.

 

4 team regions sound right, also, the other classes will have to be flexible in scheduling so as to allow the 16's to play a complete 10 game season.

 

One more thing, the playoffs for the 1A and 6A classes would start with a bye or be played the week before, either way I don't care.

Now, I'm sure I missed something so feel free to point it out.

Sounds fine with me.

Thanks for finding that Sandman. If we are going to go away from 4 classes (which I think is enough) it has to be to 6 classes and not just 5 classes so we can solve the disparity in enrollment to the best of our ability.

^ I certainly feel that the ability to play up is a must in any expansion of class.

I think the play up factor will change the numbers way too much. It should be decided and people should accept it. No matter what happens, people will be upset either way.

I have been stating all along that 5 classes was plenty and we didn't need 6. However, after reading more of these posts, maybe 6 classes actually would do more to help the current situation. Personally, I am starting to like the 6 class idea. IF DONE RIGHT, it could help resolve some of the enrollment disparities we discuss on here over and over and over again. I like the 6A 'Superclass' idea. And looking at potential breakdowns of the classes, there are some very intriguing potential matchups in the area of the state in which I live.

 

EG. Having the following 8 teams in the same class (which some have been off and on over the years) could be very interesting come playoff time and could make for some interesting district breakdowns.,

 

Southwestern; Clay County; Lincoln County; Pulaski County; Perry County Central; Whitley County; South Laurel & North Laurel, ... and that's just 5A in the SE part of the state. Several have played each other, even outside of district play, but to be in the same district/region/class again for many of these, could be very interesting indeed!

^ I certainly feel that the ability to play up is a must in any expansion of class.

 

I like the idea, but wonder how it could be done without having to rework the classes every few seasons.

Sounds like a good plan to me.

I have been stating all along that 5 classes was plenty and we didn't need 6. However, after reading more of these posts, maybe 6 classes actually would do more to help the current situation. Personally, I am starting to like the 6 class idea. IF DONE RIGHT, it could help resolve some of the enrollment disparities we discuss on here over and over and over again. I like the 6A 'Superclass' idea. And looking at potential breakdowns of the classes, there are some very intriguing potential matchups in the area of the state in which I live.

 

EG. Having the following 8 teams in the same class (which some have been off and on over the years) could be very interesting come playoff time and could make for some interesting district breakdowns.,

 

Southwestern; Clay County; Lincoln County; Pulaski County; Perry County Central; Whitley County; South Laurel & North Laurel, ... and that's just 5A in the SE part of the state. Several have played each other, even outside of district play, but to be in the same district/region/class again for many of these, could be very interesting indeed!

 

Harlan County High School would probably be in that mix. I could see them in the same district as Whitley, North, South, Clay, Letcher Central and Perry Central. Or perhaps North and South go into a district with Lincoln, Pulaski and Southwestern etc.

 

That's a very good breakdown with the list of six classes, but it should be pointed out that several of those schools have closed (Whitesburg, Fleming-Neon and Harrodsburg) or will close (Cawood, Cumberland and Evarts).