Look at the boys tonight, they came back together and did what needed done and played like they know how as a team.

The team the year before the new staff was better than last years....Maybe the Mom's should have coached them to State Tournament, since we didnt make it there.

 

I love you perspective on how darn easy coaching is....

 

Just hit the Easy button, that how coaching is....:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

 

I'm not so sure that team was better, but the competition was better that year than last year. Of that fact there can be no argument.

 

As for your view on how easy coaching can be, I can't believe that we would actually share the same feelings on this issue. Coaching HS kids has to be one of the toughest jobs around. I don't know if it is a BC thing or not, but there has definitely been a seperation between coaches and parents. And I'm not just saying that about this years coaches, because it happened during the Hamilton and the Spade years too. But this is definitely a problem that needs fixed on both sides. Parents are to blame for this problem just as much as coaches and the players. Too many people rely on what little Johnny did in Little League instead of what is going on right now. The coaches have set themselves apart from most also, and many parents feel the only way for their kid to get ahead is to suck up to the coaches and not say anything for fear of it being taken out on their kid. That is the same feeling that was around during the Jody years, and for that matter, it spilled over into the Spade years as well. Somewhere along the line, this has got to be fixed.

ok, what i'm trying to say and I'll type a little slower this time. 2004 was a better team. CJ was on that team too, just because they didn't make it to state didn't mean they weren't good. They were good, good enough that because of the previous coaching the boys knew what to come onto the field to do and get the job done to get them to the state. It didn't matter what coach walked onto the field last year. Those boys were primed and ready and statebound. The new staff got way too much credit for the 2005 team going to state is what I'm saying.

 

Why all the focus on Seasor and CJ??? CJ wasn't half the player his JR season as he was his SR season. Of any player that ever worked his butt off to get better, it was CJ. He realized after his JR year making the last out against Ashland, that he wasn't the player that he knew he could be and made himself into the player that he became during his SR season.

I'm not a Boyd Countyite and I don't mean to butt in. but I'm confused about which coaching staff taught the Boyd County pitchers to throw 85 mph? Which coaching staff showed Gatrill how to throw so hard. And which pitching staff let those guys all grow to 6'1" 190 pounds.

 

I guess my point is your arguement seems to be which coaching staff gave these players talent. Well, I can answer that question. None of them. A good coach get's 100 percent out of a player's capabilities. A great Coach get's 110% out of a player's abilities. But the bottom line is there has to be some ability. Along with drive, desire and confidence. You can't coach any of those things.

I am really not sure what you are trying to say....

 

2005 Baseball season....CJ and Group.....State Tournament.....

2004 Baseball Season....Seasor and Group....better team than CJ's by far.....NO STATE TOURNAMENT

 

How do you figure that the 2004 team was better than the 2005 team?? BC improved at almost every position for 2005. The 2005 SR's (Seasor,Hughes,Hensley, and Sturgill) were replaced at their positions by Wamsley,Gatrell, Sargent, and Branham. Plus the underclassmen got another year under their belts, so I truely believe that 2005 was a better team than 2004, and their record showed it.

CJ wasn't half the player his JR season as he was his SR season.

He realized after his JR year making the last out against Ashland, that he wasn't the player that he knew he could be and made himself into the player that he became during his SR season.

 

Well now, your view is that a player can dedicate themself and make a HUGE improvement between his Junior and Senior year. Perhaps even twice the player he was (as per your observation)

 

So that would sure seem to support the view that it's downright silly to just tell a Junior to give up after his JV season, because after all - on top of a possible growth and/or maturity spurt, he could dedicate himself and become twice as good as he was as a junior - RIGHT ?

 

Glad to hear someone else provide evidence for my beliefs :thumb:

 

Cheers, Woody Jr

:thumb: very well stated. Only problem is, those 6'1" 190lb players are going to start to be fewer and fewer than in the past, along with the talent level not quite being what BC is used to. So hopefully, these coaches will be able to get that 110% out of those players.

I didn't mean to understate the value of quality coaching. Their are a number of factors that a coach impacts. But let me just say I can not remember a time in recent years that Boyd County has not had a quality coaching staff.

Well now, your view is that a player can dedicate themself and make a HUGE improvement between his Junior and Senior year. Perhaps even twice the player he was (as per your observation)

 

So that would sure seem to support the view that it's downright silly to just tell a Junior to give up after his JV season, because after all - on top of a possible growth and/or maturity spurt, he could dedicate himself and become twice as good as he was as a junior - RIGHT ?

 

Glad to hear someone else provide evidence for my beliefs :thumb:

 

Cheers, Woody Jr

 

Using CJ in this example doesn't really fit into this arguement though. CJ was already very good and playing on the Varsity level. He only improved his game even more in order to be the best player he could be. He didn't want to end his SR season in a slump the way it happened his JR season. He dedicated himself to being better because he was trying to take the blame for the 2004 team not advancing. My arguement is that the JV is no place for a JR to be at all. The only exception would be that if a team was so loaded and SR dominated, that the JR would get no playing time on Varsity, and would only improve himself by being on JV. Then and only then, would I say that a coach would really owe it to that player to get a legit shot at varsity the next season.

:thumb: very well stated. Only problem is, those 6'1" 190lb players are going to start to be fewer and fewer than in the past, along with the talent level not quite being what BC is used to. So hopefully, these coaches will be able to get that 110% out of those players.

 

And I believe every baseball program goes through years of lean years. It's hard to stay on top. But when you have a quality program that every year has 45 to 60 young men working hard to improve so they can make an impact, those lean years will not last that long.

I didn't mean to understate the value of quality coaching. Their are a number of factors that a coach impacts. But let me just say I can not remember a time in recent years that Boyd County has not had a quality coaching staff.

:thumb: and quality players as well. I would dare say that since Jody took over in 1987, that no other school in this area has sent as many kids as BC has to the next level. That is just a tribute to the kids, the parents, and the coaching staffs at BC

Well now, your view is that a player can dedicate themself and make a HUGE improvement between his Junior and Senior year. Perhaps even twice the player he was (as per your observation)

 

So that would sure seem to support the view that it's downright silly to just tell a Junior to give up after his JV season, because after all - on top of a possible growth and/or maturity spurt, he could dedicate himself and become twice as good as he was as a junior - RIGHT ?

 

Glad to hear someone else provide evidence for my beliefs :thumb:

 

Cheers, Woody Jr

 

 

Exactly the point I've been try'n to get acrossed since this thread started!

Whew.....glad to know I'm not the only one out there thinking kids do improve and we encourage them not run them off........

As for your view on how easy coaching can be, I can't believe that we would actually share the same feelings on this issue. Coaching HS kids has to be one of the toughest jobs around

 

I agree with you there, it's a tough job that you have to earn your teams respect and you don't do that alienating everyone. These kids hear the parents argue and babble on and it spills over into the team and then they wind up resenting the coaches that have they " do it my way or find another school " attitude.

As for the origin of this thread. I will agree that telling a kid he might as well not come out next year is two things. A bit early to make that decision and maybe improperly handled. A believe honesty and communication have to be considered when talking to a potential player. The honesty part might be something like "Listen, if you want to be apart of this team and contribute to its success, you are going to have to dedicate yourself to get better at (whatever his shortfalls may be)."

 

A majority of high school players improve based on the "players" hard work and dedication. I saw a kid that was DHed for his entire junior season. He busted his butt all summer and winter. His senior year, he hit close to 20 HRs and went on to play D1 baseball and get drafted.

Using CJ in this example doesn't really fit into this arguement though. CJ was already very good and playing on the Varsity level. He only improved his game even more in order to be the best player he could be. He didn't want to end his SR season in a slump the way it happened his JR season. He dedicated himself to being better because he was trying to take the blame for the 2004 team not advancing. My arguement is that the JV is no place for a JR to be at all. The only exception would be that if a team was so loaded and SR dominated, that the JR would get no playing time on Varsity, and would only improve himself by being on JV. Then and only then, would I say that a coach would really owe it to that player to get a legit shot at varsity the next season.

 

It seems you are evading the actual words you used re; CJ.

 

If as you said, someone is half the player as a junior that means they became twice the player as a senior. You can't fairly use their class one way in a debate then turn around and argue against the very same principle - a player CAN make a tremendous improvement coming into their senior year.

We see it over and over and over again, how 5 year seniors and players given up on, end up making a contribution before all is said and done. It happens at all levels and HS is an age where tremendous change can occur in short periods of time. To say thats it, there's no way for this kid, is a view that is too often based in arrogance, ignorance or indifference much too often IMO.

 

So what if someone hasn't made varsity as a junior? It makes no difference.

Running off a junior (assuming no problems) at this point benefits the baseball program how?? Not at all in my view.

The upside is that one of these times a junior may turn out to help your program as a senior - no one can deny that.

The downside is what??? You have one more player working out through the offseason? You have one more player in line during tryouts? Those would be very pathetic excuses to run off kids for a public school program.

 

This is High School. Too many of these high school coaches think much more of themselves and their own ability than they have reason to. Why do so many people play along?

 

 

Woody Jr