June 16, 201511 yr This brings up an interesting question. If you did not know of the policy prior to arriving, how are you to "challenge the rule through proper channels"? Should you seek out the superintendent ahead of the ceremony? Obviously waiting until the next school board meeting doesn't work. Yeah, you may be able to challenge/change the policy for upcoming years...but, if your one and only son or daughter graduates THIS year...does it really matter?They pretty much let you know in advance, so if you miss it I assume you aren't paying attention. That would be on you.
June 16, 201511 yr No. You can't legislate enthusiasm. Cheering has been associated with graduation ceremonies for a long time. The smarter approach would have been to (a) respectfully ask the audience to keep vocal displays of support brief and (b) add 3 or 4 seconds between announcing names. This superintendent may be in the wrong line of work. If all this were true, we wouldn't have new rules for no cheering, but yet, we do.
June 16, 201511 yr I think we could also say that some people need to realize that not everything is about them. Be proud of your kid and love them dearly. But it the people in charge make a request, then honor their request. I have been to good ceremonies where everything went smoothly and bad ceremonies where lighting, sound, and air conditioning malfunctioned. Who gets blamed? The principal. Why? Because she was in charge. If she was in charge than how come people didn't honor her request. I think that's what everyone is saying, goes for institutions in particular. It's not end of the world stuff here, it's about institutional control. If they didn't do a good job when they had my kid, why would I assume they could do a good job during a graduation ceremony ? For Example: a local school district a few years ago, after multiple calculations and running up to 4 models, awarded the Valedictorian and Salutatorian to the wrong students....wasn't even close. But they "made up" for by allowing the "real" Valedictorian to give their speech at the next school board meeting. And I should trust their judgement when they ask me to withold applause until the the end of the ceremony ? Maybe they (schools) should concentrate on the important parts and not worry so much about what happens at the closing ceremony.
June 16, 201511 yr Maybe they (schools) should concentrate on the important parts and not worry so much about what happens at the closing ceremony. Fair enough. But if things go wrong, who gets blamed?
June 16, 201511 yr Fair enough. But if things go wrong, who gets blamed? What kind of "things go wrong" ? Every individual is responsible for their own behavior, which is essentially the argument for or against on this issue. Individual behaviors versus institutional control. Schools, regardless of what they may believe, cannot legislate beyond their scope.
June 16, 201511 yr What kind of "things go wrong" ? Every individual is responsible for their own behavior, which is essentially the argument for or against on this issue. Individual behaviors versus institutional control. Schools, regardless of what they may believe, cannot legislate beyond their scope. The the microphone doesn't work, the principal gets blamed? If the gym is really hot, the principal gets blamed? If the kids get out of sync or mixed up, the principal gets blamed? Does the principal really put the microphone up, turn the AC on, or run graduation practice? But they seemed to be the target when something goes wrong because they are supposed to be in charge. But when the person that is supposed to be in charge requests a professional level of decorum (word usage?) at ceremonies, the people that would complain about the principal do not feel it is important to obey their wishes.
June 16, 201511 yr It ain't a funeral. Lighten up a little. The once in a lifetime that my kid gets to graduate, I'm cheering. If that is offensive to you, sorry for your luck. Arrest me and hope you have good insurance.
June 16, 201511 yr There was a discussion on the radio this morning that reminded me of this thread: The topic was long goodbye's in the airport loading/unloading zone. Two of the radio people thought it was ok to have long goodbye's, blocking traffic, holding up others where the other two thought it inappropriate. End of the day to me, just like anything else...there are those who are sensitive to the effects of their actions on others...driving, noise, etc., and there are those who only look out for themselves and just don't care. And I will also speculate that if a person behaves that way in one part of their life, they likely behave that way when push comes to shove in all parts of their life.
June 16, 201511 yr It ain't a funeral. Lighten up a little. The once in a lifetime that my kid gets to graduate, I'm cheering. If that is offensive to you, sorry for your luck. Arrest me and hope you have good insurance. No one here really supports arresting someone for that. But if they have a no celebration rule and you break it, don't come whining on here about it when you get escorted out.
June 16, 201511 yr No one here really supports arresting someone for that. But if they have a no celebration rule and you break it, don't come whining on here about it when you get escorted out. I think most people that think it's over the top to be upset about some cheering are probably willing to take their lumps if that's what it comes to. I would rather not cower in fear of some pseudo authority figure and let me and mine know where they stand. As for blaming the principal for everything, well, good leadership makes sure that prior to ceremony they have checked out the situation...if the principal blindly relies on or cannot count on their staff to get it right, then it's a leadership problem, so yeah, they get blamed. I do not blame them for somebody cheering when asked not to...for me, I will choose free will.
June 16, 201511 yr The more I think about it...I am for abolishing all rules and all laws. Rules and laws protect the stupid, the weak, and the unlucky thus preventing Darwin's law from running its course.
June 16, 201511 yr I think most people that think it's over the top to be upset about some cheering are probably willing to take their lumps if that's what it comes to. I would rather not cower in fear of some pseudo authority figure and let me and mine know where they stand. As for blaming the principal for everything, well, good leadership makes sure that prior to ceremony they have checked out the situation...if the principal blindly relies on or cannot count on their staff to get it right, then it's a leadership problem, so yeah, they get blamed. I do not blame them for somebody cheering when asked not to...for me, I will choose free will. Everyone doesn't have an axe to grind with school administrators, so most people can handle a request to do something as simple as waiting until the last student's name has been called. As to the principal, I never brought that up. As to your last point, thank you for your input, Geddy Lee. :lol2:
June 16, 201511 yr I think most people that think it's over the top to be upset about some cheering are probably willing to take their lumps if that's what it comes to. I would rather not cower in fear of some pseudo authority figure and let me and mine know where they stand. As for blaming the principal for everything, well, good leadership makes sure that prior to ceremony they have checked out the situation...if the principal blindly relies on or cannot count on their staff to get it right, then it's a leadership problem, so yeah, they get blamed. I do not blame them for somebody cheering when asked not to...for me, I will choose free will. A. Yes, I am. 2. Absolutely. D. Most important of all. If my three seconds of clapping is too much, cart me off in the paddywagon.
June 16, 201511 yr A. Yes, I am. 2. Absolutely. D. Most important of all. If my three seconds of clapping is too much, cart me off in the paddywagon. If 3 seconds of clapping is what the rest of us were talking about, I'd agree, but...
June 16, 201511 yr If 3 seconds of clapping is what the rest of us were talking about, I'd agree, but... Right, it was the 1.5 hours of continous "whooping and hollering" that was being talked about...
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