Has it even been rumored that any of that info was being collected, outside of how many times you call your girlfriend and order pizza is anything else being taken from our phones? I'm asking because if it is I hadn't heard anything about it.

 

Reports say both DEA and IRS have used data collected by the NSA in court which would be illegal.

 

Exclusive: IRS manual detailed DEA's use of hidden intel evidence | Reuters

Reports say both DEA and IRS have used data collected by the NSA in court which would be illegal.

 

Exclusive: IRS manual detailed DEA's use of hidden intel evidence | Reuters

 

But what data...Phone calls or secret off shore account numbers? I'm guessing it is just a record of phone calls made and who to and how often to certain numbers.

But what data...Phone calls or secret off shore account numbers? I'm guessing it is just a record of phone calls made and who to and how often to certain numbers.

 

So how do you think they can take someone to court without details? The article says the NSA gave them the info and they then went out and found evidence to look like they came up with it.

 

That tells you it's not just phone numbers and email addresses.

Yes, you actually are. You just googled "NSA foils terrorist plot" and posted the first article that fits your narrative without actually researching it.

 

If you did, you'd realize that Keith Alexander, the NSA chief who made that claim, admittedly inflated those numbers:

 

 

 

NSA chief's admission of misleading numbers adds to Obama administration blunders - Washington Times

 

This whole debate is happening because the NSA or the FBI have not been able to justify the bulk collection of data.

 

And the means for the bulk collection of data is what the Second Circuit court, the court below the Supreme Court, is what they deemed illegal.

 

Uhh, no that is not what I Googled.

 

You are hilarious. I guess you are not finding articles to support your stance. So, no, I am not incorrect.

As a wise man once told me:

 

Those with nothing to hide, hide nothing.

As a wise man once told me:

 

Those with nothing to hide, hide nothing.

 

LOL we're on a blog where most people hide their identity. There's a reason for that. People value their privacy. Why don't you publicly disclose on BGP your name and perhaps some family members?

 

Also. will you email me your email and facebook login and passwords please?

 

I'd like to scroll through your internet activity. You have nothing to hide, right?

Uhh, no that is not what I Googled.

 

You are hilarious. I guess you are not finding articles to support your stance. So, no, I am not incorrect.

 

I provided you with articles showing the NSA bulk collection of data has never actually been a major factor in stopping a terrorist attack.

I think this is interesting, as most right wingers usually say "Well, I have nothing to hide", now a number of them do not want the Patriot Act.

 

Like several other things in this country, it doesn't need to go away, just tweeked. But by how much?

I said previously that I see both sides of this issue, however, I find it just commonsense to know who our enemy might be and what they may be doing. My guess is the USA isn't the only one's that know about our personal phone calls. I highly suspect Russia and China know this, also. We are being naive to think they don't have the ability to know with today's technology.

 

So in my mind, I just can't see what the problem has been. I for one believe the US government could care less who I call or why, but if they stopped one terrorist act over the last 14 years, it is worth it.

 

My personal freedom is not more important than the good of all when it comes to protecting our freedom. some will think this is contradictory, however, it is not in my mind. There has to be a balance between personal freedom and the safety of everyone.

I think this is interesting, as most right wingers usually say "Well, I have nothing to hide", now a number of them do not want the Patriot Act.

 

Like several other things in this country, it doesn't need to go away, just tweeked. But by how much?

 

I agree that it needs to be tweaked, not blown up. I consider myself more right wing than left. I am very concerned about the government having too much power. The NSA, IRS, EPA and other govt organizations have proven that they cannot be trusted implicitly.

 

Having nothing to hide does not mean you should give up your rights to privacy as an American...

As a wise man once told me:

 

Those with nothing to hide, hide nothing.

 

This is a ridiculous post in a country founded on the idea of innocent until proven guilty. So ridiculous.

I said previously that I see both sides of this issue, however, I find it just commonsense to know who our enemy might be and what they may be doing. My guess is the USA isn't the only one's that know about our personal phone calls. I highly suspect Russia and China know this, also. We are being naive to think they don't have the ability to know with today's technology.

 

So in my mind, I just can't see what the problem has been. I for one believe the US government could care less who I call or why, but if they stopped one terrorist act over the last 14 years, it is worth it.

 

My personal freedom is not more important than the good of all when it comes to protecting our freedom. some will think this is contradictory, however, it is not in my mind. There has to be a balance between personal freedom and the safety of everyone.

 

In a country founded on personal freedom we should always side with personal freedom when there is any question. Hiding behind the word saftey makes us more like our European cousins across the pond who we surpassed decades ago.

In a country founded on personal freedom we should always side with personal freedom when there is any question. Hiding behind the word saftey makes us more like our European cousins across the pond who we surpassed decades ago.

 

I am very aware that you and others feel this way and it's ok, I truly understand. To say that it was implied hiding behind safety is just flat out wrong in the way I believe and think. I believe that the country as a whole is greater in protecting freedom and more important than any one individual's personal freedom in many cases.

 

It is my belief that it is selfish and self serving to think otherwise. Just a totally different mindset.

 

Do I want someone to be watching my every move and what I do? No, I don't, but that is not what I think is happening with this act. There is a purpose here in my belief and that is protecting us to have our rights.

This is a ridiculous post in a country founded on the idea of innocent until proven guilty. So ridiculous.

 

No more ridiculous than any of yours.

I provided you with articles showing the NSA bulk collection of data has never actually been a major factor in stopping a terrorist attack.

 

 

And I provided one that said the Patriot Act had thwarted terrorist attacks.