Funny how the word marriage can be in solid rock while gay has changed dramatically over 30 years.

 

Not to mention the divorce rate which really indicates how our nation cherishes marriage.

 

Not only the nation, but world wide. Can't have such as "sanctity of marriage" and half of them end up in divorce.

I'm not opposed . I'm a libertarian and it's a government issue.

 

But I understand why the Catholic Church is against and I respect their right to not hold gay ceremonys. As long as the government respects that right I'm cool.

 

Word.

Well, it won't be long until America joins Ireland.

 

I think there is more opposition than people realize. As a Christian I am against it for moral and religious reasons. As a citizen I hope it will always be a state issue. As a pluralist I appreciate the freedoms in this country for me to live and think the way I see fit.

I think there is more opposition than people realize. As a Christian I am against it for moral and religious reasons. As a citizen I hope it will always be a state issue. As a pluralist I appreciate the freedoms in this country for me to live and think the way I see fit.

 

I just meant it won't be long until the Supreme Court rules the marriage bans unconstitutional. Like, a month or less, I think is the expected time frame.

Looking for a civil conversation.

 

But to supporters of gay marriage, what is your definition of "marriage?"

Looking for a civil conversation.

 

But to supporters of gay marriage, what is your definition of "marriage?"

 

An agreement between two adults who want to be bound in a legal/social contract.

 

I guess.

Looking for a civil conversation.

 

But to supporters of gay marriage, what is your definition of "marriage?"

 

I'm thinking out loud here, but I view "marriage" separately from the Sacrament of Matrimony.

 

Any two people, in my opinion, can get have a civil union and be "married". This marriage should be recognized by the law/government.

 

The Sacrament of Matrimony is between a man and a woman in the church. That is entirely up to the Church & need not be recognized by the law/government.

 

Two very different things, in my opinion.

An agreement between two adults who want to be bound in a legal/social contract.

 

I guess.

 

Here is the question as it relates to the civil laws.

 

Does 'marriage' create a new and different legal entity - basically a legal partnership - without creating a specific legal partnership?

 

Before social programs (social security, medicare, health insurance), etc. marriage had a fairly basic legal function - define the right of inheritance for the spouse and children. And for a child to have right of inheritance from their father's estate the child's parents had to be in a recognized marriage. Else the child would not have any right to the father's estate. With the advent of income taxes, social (government) benefits, company provided benefits (mainly healtcare policies) 'marriage' status is used in so many ways that it was not before the 20th century.

 

Ones status as 'married' or not married has worked its way into so many laws - almost all created with the large social programs of the 20th century that a marriage now seems to create a legal entity not to unlike an LLP.

But to supporters of gay marriage, what is your definition of "marriage?"

 

The dedicated union between two people. The government recognizing the union legally (ie. for benefits, taxation and ownership of property)...and no more sex. :lol2:

I'm thinking out loud here, but I view "marriage" separately from the Sacrament of Matrimony.

 

Any two people, in my opinion, can get have a civil union and be "married". This marriage should be recognized by the law/government.

 

The Sacrament of Matrimony is between a man and a woman in the church. That is entirely up to the Church & need not be recognized by the law/government.

 

Two very different things, in my opinion.

 

 

If they are very different, why use the same word? [Married]

 

I have no problem with civil unions; but that is what they are: Civil Unions.

 

Marriage was created through the Church, so I think it is only appropriate that marriage remains an institution of the church.

 

Again, I have no problem with secular civil unions.

 

An agreement between two adults who want to be bound in a legal/social contract.

 

I guess.

 

 

But to supporters of gay marriage, what is your definition of "marriage?"

 

The dedicated union between two people. The government recognizing the union legally (ie. for benefits, taxation and ownership of property)...and no more sex. :lol2:

 

So, just to be clear, I could marry my father or my aunt or my sister if we are both adults then, right?

If they are very different' date=' why use the same word? [Married'] I have no problem with civil unions; but that is what they are: Civil Unions. Marriage was created through the Church, so I think it is only appropriate that marriage remains an institution of the church. Again, I have no problem with secular civil unions. So, just to be clear, I could marry my father or my aunt or my sister if we are both adults then, right?

 

Do you consider a man and woman who get married at the courthouse to be married?

So, just to be clear, I could marry my father or my aunt or my sister if we are both adults then, right?

 

Two adults should be allowed to marry whomever they want if they're both consenting adults.

Do you consider a man and woman who get married at the courthouse to be married?

 

To be honest, I haven't thought about it much since (IMO) most couples get married within a Church (which I still struggle to say they are married if it's not a Catholic wedding...).

 

But, if a man and a woman are married at the courthouse, I think I would consider them to be in a secular marriage. So, yes.

Two adults should be allowed to marry whomever they want if they're both consenting adults.

 

Fair enough. I've never met anyone who has said it is okay to marry one's sister and produce children with them.

To be honest, I haven't thought about it much since (IMO) most couples get married within a Church (which I still struggle to say they are married if it's not a Catholic wedding...).

 

But, if a man and a woman are married at the courthouse, I think I would consider them to be in a secular marriage. So, yes.

 

 

What about in Frances Esenbock's living room? That's where I got married. Frances is a JOP in Lexington who works out of her house.

 

BTW - not everyone is Catholic.