So, a 7 year old boy comes home, tells his mommy he is a girl, wants to play with dolls, wear panties and pee sitting down. What parent in their right mind does a 180 and says the boy is now a girl because that's what he says he is, deal with it everybody.

 

I'm telling you, this is just another example of the ultra liberal, politically correct wussied down society we live in today, and it's getting worse. Should anyone suggest this child be sat down by the parents and sternly told he is a little boy and a boy is what he will always be and treat him as such, the ultra PC police come out in force and shout that down...after all we have to be sensitive to the child's fragile emotional state. Should someone suggest maybe this boy go see a child psychiatrist because something is definitely wrong here if he really is thinking he's a little girl...oh no, don't say that you backwards Neanderthal.:stop: And while we're at it, the mom should go visit a shrink as well...I mean, since her first instinct is to change her little boy into a girl...she aint right in my book. Ooops, shouldn't have said that, here come the PC police to arrest me.

 

I'm so sick of hearing stories like this...there have been a few of them over the recent years. Stupid woman. Stupid parent.

As long as the kid wasn't using the same bathroom or locker room facilities as my girl then I'd have no problem with it. It would definitely be a tough thing to explain to my child at that age though.

 

My snap reaction is somewhat similar.

 

However, at a very young age why does it matter if a child sees genitals of the opposite sex? It's not like they're going to be sexually attracted.

 

So I'd have to ask myself "what's the harm?"

Though I personally didn't experience desires as a child to look and behave as a girl, I did already have clear knowledge that I was supposed to by society's standards develop into a straight male.

 

I was already aware at age 7 and even before adolescence that something was different with me, but didn't know why, and by adolescence it became even more and more clear to me how I was wired.

 

I knew that it was something that I would be ridiculed about, and wouldn't be accepted if I had divulged this inner knowledge of myself. It was clear to me that I had to keep it a secret.

 

I decided to wait until I was an adult with a job to reveal this information to my family and friends in an effort to once and for all try to live freely as who I truly was and not have to fake my entire life.

 

As hard as it was to stay silent all of those years, I realize that I had to to avoid suffering social troubles.

 

In today's more acceptant world, some kids are trying to come out before they're actually adults and in many cases it's not working out too well for them with their peers. I feel sorry for those who are pretty sure their parents won't understand, but if they're lucky enough to have parents that might, then I'd advise them for the sake of not suffocating forever to share this with their folks, but keep it under wraps with others until they are old enough to live their own adult life.

 

In this case I think I lean towards agreeing with what you're saying here about waiting because even though this boy might want to live as a girl, he/she better have some very thick skin because he/she is going to inevitably experience a whole lot of ridicule his/her entire childhood. More power to him/her if he/she can pull it off, but it's most certainly not going to be easy.

 

Hold on a minute. You are reaching way too far here. This article doesn't say one word about the child's sexual preference. I also poo poo the notion that a 7yo. has much of a clue what that preference is, frankly. This whole deal isn't about sexual preference, it's about sexual orientation. Those are 2 entirely different issues. I've read all your stuff in this one and I simply can't agree here at all. First, yep, society clothes our children from an early age differently, male from female. Wanna know why? When they're little you can't tell the damn things apart. That's just common sense to me. Boy is blue, girl is pink. Hey, that keeps me from asking "how old is he" when the baby is a little girl. Not PC, not social programming with some heterosexual agenda, it's CS (common sense). So, forgive me if I don't buy that this mother is doing the child a favor helping the closet door swing wide open at 7 when it's entirely possible that the child has no sexual conflict in it's prepubescent mind. IF the child has some conflicted issue about it's sexual orientation, 7 years old is NOT the time to hammer out the details, IMO. You act like what the mother did was liberating for this kid, and I couldn't possibly disagree more. And heck yes, it makes parenting the other children complicated and difficult. I'd be lying if I said that moving my child out of that situation wouldn't cross my mind. This is why home schooling has so many benefits.

Hold on a minute. You are reaching way too far here. This article doesn't say one word about the child's sexual preference. I also poo poo the notion that a 7yo. has much of a clue what that preference is, frankly. This whole deal isn't about sexual preference, it's about sexual orientation. Those are 2 entirely different issues. I've read all your stuff in this one and I simply can't agree here at all. First, yep, society clothes our children from an early age differently, male from female. Wanna know why? When they're little you can't tell the damn things apart. That's just common sense to me. Boy is blue, girl is pink. Hey, that keeps me from asking "how old is he" when the baby is a little girl. Not PC, not social programming with some heterosexual agenda, it's CS (common sense). So, forgive me if I don't buy that this mother is doing the child a favor helping the closet door swing wide open at 7 when it's entirely possible that the child has no sexual conflict in it's prepubescent mind. IF the child has some conflicted issue about it's sexual orientation, 7 years old is NOT the time to hammer out the details, IMO. You act like what the mother did was liberating for this kid, and I couldn't possibly disagree more. And heck yes, it makes parenting the other children complicated and difficult. I'd be lying if I said that moving my child out of that situation wouldn't cross my mind. This is why home schooling has so many benefits.

 

Wow dude, where did I say that I even assumed anything about the child's sexual preference?

 

Sounds like while reading my posts your mind fills in assumptions of what I'm trying to say, and then you in turn put words into my mouth, beyond what I even said.

 

Until this last post of mine referring to the young child perhaps wanting to wait to avoid social ridicule, I never once even mentioned him/her or my particular view on the specific matter at hand. It's your assumption of what I actually think about it.

 

Do I think that possibly that child has a certain self-awareness about what gender traits they feel more comfortable about ... I'll state now (for the first time) that I lean toward thinking that they very well might.

 

Along with it can I assume their future sexual preference?....no... but I can without specific knowledge, but with past understanding of these type situations that it's not entirely impossible that the child will by adolescence be more aware of what stimulates them, and it's probably not a far stretch to imagine that he/she would very possibly be attracted to males.

 

I just used my own personal experience to shed light that I had a certain self awareness when I was 7 even before adolescence. Truth is that awareness was more like at the age of 5 believe it or not.

 

I've received similar reaction in the past from people who can't understand how I might've known that I was developing differently at that early age.

 

When you develop as the norm, you typically have no self awareness questions about it, but when you realize that you're not developing as the norm, your self analysis can kick in at a much younger age than those of the status quo.

 

I've had numerous gay people express to me that they too had a certain self awareness long before adolescence. How we knew is hard to say, but nonetheless we in fact did, making our analytical brains kick in long before the average child and even more so than some adults ever do throughout there entire lives.

 

When you develop as the accepted norm there's really nothing that challenges your thinking, when you develop differently you can't but help start pondering at an earlier age of social expectations and how you might fit into the puzzle.

 

I also never said that the world had any unified heterosexual agenda with gender appropriate clothing. Again words put into my mouth. It's just an observation that it is in fact learned social conditioning and not innate, and nor did I say that there was particularly anything wrong with it...again your assumption. It is what it is.

 

I'm sorry that it irritates you so much to try comprehending things beyond your solid conditioned reactions that boys are boys and girls are girls not if's and's or but's, but just because you can't comprehend it doesn't make my approach here inaccurate.

 

Remember it's the experience of those who are experiencing, and you are merely a puzzled bystander from the accepted normal society who views it all as a foreign idea that perplexes you. You can aim at understanding or stay right put in your current state of mind, but no matter where you are in it all, it's a truth that a certain percentage of people develop differently than the masses. Always has been, and always will. It might be a minority, but nonetheless a reality of humanity.

 

Does it mean the individual must be forced to be reconditioned (which is ineffective anyhow) to satisfy the mass society, or that the person could be free to be themselves regardless of society's misunderstanding of it all?

 

Sorry that all of humanity doesn't develop in the way that you perceive that they must, but it's a fact that they don't, and if it's not hurting you personally what the hell does it matter.

 

You appear to be a classic example of the thought to not try to teach of pig to sing. Firstly, because they can't, and secondly it only irritates the pig by trying to.

 

Feel content in knowing that you are not alone though. It's a fact that the majority of society by and large has always had trouble understanding anything outside of the accepted norm.

 

Some have an easier time with analysis and some don't.

 

Either way, you are who you are and I accept you for that, but must admit that it's apparent that It might be a false assumption on my part that I could ever come close to teaching you to sing.

 

You didn't choose to be tone deaf, and I have to accept that as a fact of your conditioning.

 

Am I a bit smug?

 

Sure, that's part of my own psychological conditioning growing up being an analytical person among multitudes of non-thinkers, so it's had an effect on me to have an inner battle with accepting that as a reality, and trying for years to understand that society's lack of ability to understand is in fact another truth of humanity.

 

If I ever get around to handling that better you might notice eventually a less arrogant air about me. It's a character flaw on my part that I'm forever working on.

My snap reaction is somewhat similar.

 

However, at a very young age why does it matter if a child sees genitals of the opposite sex? It's not like they're going to be sexually attracted.

 

So I'd have to ask myself "what's the harm?"

 

If this is the case, why do we teach little kids to refer to genitals as "private parts?"

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Why do we?

Why do we?

 

Because this is America and we're all descendent of Puritans.

Because this is America and we're all descendent of Puritans.

 

Can't say I disagree with that.

 

On a scientific level there's probably something to protecting our genitals to make sure we further the species, and as a byproduct of that protecting, we cover them, and once it becomes the social norm to cover them, it's appears that it's natural that we do though it's really a taught behavior to cover them when in other more primitive cultures it's not unusual for people to see each others genitals.

 

Just a thought.

Why do we?

 

Should we all just be nudists? If we were to teach young children that seeing other people's (specifically the opposite gender's) genitals was okay because they cannot feel sexually attracted, what is going to happen when they are old enough to be sexually attracted? There is no way a 13 year old boy who gets excited for the first time when seeing a girl naked is just going to be okay with no longer seeing girls naked once he starts to enjoy it (becomes sexually attracted).

 

Just look at Europe. Most young girls go swimming with no top, and its not uncommon to see a young boy swimming naked. Now, every TV there gets pornographic channels, there are movie theaters that show porn, and prostitution is arguably more prevalent there than any other area of the world.

Can't say I disagree with that.

 

On a scientific level there's probably something to protecting our genitals to make sure we further the species, and as a byproduct of that protecting, we cover them, and once it becomes the social norm to cover them, it's appears that it's natural that we do though it's really a taught behavior to cover them when in other more primitive cultures it's not unusual for people to see each others genitals.

 

Just a thought.

 

I'm just chiming in on the idea of why we call them "privates" or "special place" or whatever other dumb thing we teach our kids. As for showing them off... I'm still as reserved a Roman Catholic as is out there. Keep that stuff put away. :lol2:

Should we all just be nudists? If we were to teach young children that seeing other people's (specifically the opposite gender's) genitals was okay because they cannot feel sexually attracted, what is going to happen when they are old enough to be sexually attracted? There is no way a 13 year old boy who gets excited for the first time when seeing a girl naked is just going to be okay with no longer seeing girls naked once he starts to enjoy it (becomes sexually attracted).

 

Just look at Europe. Most young girls go swimming with no top, and its not uncommon to see a young boy swimming naked. Now, every TV there gets pornographic channels, there are movie theaters that show porn, and prostitution is arguably more prevalent there than any other area of the world.

 

There's a difference in showing porn and having prostitution be legal and not freaking out when your 6 yr old daughter sees a penis. That's my point. We make a much bigger deal of it than it should be.

There's a difference in showing porn and having prostitution be legal and not freaking out when your 6 yr old daughter sees a penis. That's my point. We make a much bigger deal of it than it should be.

 

Agreed, and maybe I did jump the gun too quickly but there's a difference between a six year old girl seeing it once and everyday. Sex is one of the (if not the) most addictive thing in the world. If we can avoid exposing young children to it maybe there is a better chance they won't grow up to have an obsession.

 

Disclaimer: I say young children in the context of this discussion. At some point (it differs for every child) children do need to be educated about sex. I think in general 7 years old is too young.

Agreed, and maybe I did jump the gun too quickly but there's a difference between a six year old girl seeing it once and everyday. Sex is one of the (if not the) most addictive thing in the world. If we can avoid exposing young children to it maybe there is a better chance they won't grow up to have an obsession.

 

Disclaimer: I say young children in the context of this discussion. At some point (it differs for every child) children do need to be educated about sex. I think in general 7 years old is too young.

 

9 is too young

Vagina cookies, anyone?:idunno: