Say something during "silent time" in class?

Get sent to the principal's office as a troublemaker.

 

Set up a planned (they were alternating, after all, I don't think that's how they coincidentally ended up) INTENTIONAL non-silence during a moment of silence (because it was Christian prayer)?

Get lauded.

 

Makes perfect sense.

 

Matthew 6:5 "And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full.

See, what it looks like from my view is that you offer exclusions for that type of prayer. If this guy leads it's ok, but if this one does, it's not. Or it's grandstanding because it was a cheerleader, but it might not have been if it was someone else. I just wish that those opposed would either crap or get off the pot. If it's not ok, then it's not ok for anyone. Even when we take a stand we stand like jellyfish.

 

I think it's fully possible that the cheerleaders felt led to do it. You can doubt their motives. Perhaps you're right. However, what if they felt like that was appropriate to honor God in that way? She's not ordained, but was obviously able to recite the thing, so studied up or cultured that way, brainwashed, however you'd like to label it. Ultimately, if the cheerleaders started the prayer, who twisted he arm of those around them to join in? They just as easily could have left them to pray on their own. Just a bunch of lemmings I guess. Could have made them the islands of non-reason.

 

Not sure I'd be expecting religious enlightenment from a bunch of cheerleaders breaking the rules.

 

I'd offer exclusions if it wasn't a "moment of silence". I ran right over that in my rants. I apologize.

 

Maybe there's a way to go back to a non-prayer/non-political invocation. Maybe Hatz could come up with/find/say something that will please (mostly) everyone.

 

But with the ACLU/Courts/Board of Educations ruling like they have on this scenario, it's probably NOT best for the P.A. guy or a coach to lead the Lord's Prayer over the intercom at a public stadium (private Christian schools are free to do as they wish, but Oneida Tennessee is very much public). If the cheerleaders want to do their own thing, I'm NOT against it, per se.

 

HOWEVER, there's a time and place.

 

Before the game before the teams come out maybe?

Right after the national anthem?

Right before the kickoff (Maybe meet behind a goalpost then have each cheer squad go to its side)?

After the game at midfield with both teams and cheerleaders?

 

Any of those could be good times, I would think. Stadium still full. And you get your moment of God (God darn it).

 

But Intentionally doing it during the "moment of SILENCE is not the time. Or place.

 

Again, there's a time and place. Even Hey-Zeus himself said that much.

 

Over the PA at a public stadium featuring two public school teams? Not it.

During a moment of silence? Try again.

It started with bullies. Seems to be ending with bullies.

 

Oneida cheerleaders bullied for pregame prayer

Not shocked.

It started with bullies. Seems to be ending with bullies.

 

Oneida cheerleaders bullied for pregame prayer

 

Nice story but way short on facts.

 

They also said they are going to continue the prayers at the games.

 

Sounds like like the ACLU needs to quit rattling their sabre and take action if they have a case and until then no more moments of silence...

Nice story but way short on facts.

 

They also said they are going to continue the prayers at the games.

 

Sounds like like the ACLU needs to quit rattling their sabre and take action if they have a case and until then no more moments of silence...

 

Would the ACLU have standing? To have standing you have to have to have suffered harm. Who suffered harm and would have standing to file?

 

I do believe the ACLU tactics are RICO-like in their application.

 

If the students take the lead you have said its legal. Seems right.

Would the ACLU have standing? To have standing you have to have to have suffered harm. Who suffered harm and would have standing to file?

 

I do believe the ACLU tactics are RICO-like in their application.

 

If the students take the lead you have said its legal. Seems right.

 

I said: Was this against the law? Probably not. Was it in violation of the spirit of the law? Probably so.

 

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I still think it is a thinly veiled end around the law and even if it isn't the ACLU's best case I think it is one they should consider taking on.

I said: Was this against the law? Probably not. Was it in violation of the spirit of the law? Probably so.

 

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I still think it is a thinly veiled end around the law and even if it isn't the ACLU's best case I think it is one they should consider taking on.

 

What would their argument be? If you're on high school property you can't say a prayer? No chance.

What would their argument be? If you're on high school property you can't say a prayer? No chance.

 

Not the point Clyde, they are running game, they need to be called on it and let the chips fall where they may.

 

In short, the moment of silence needs to be just that, a moment of silence. If the girls want to pray aloud there needs to a protocol.

Not the point Clyde, they are running game, they need to be called on it and let the chips fall where they may.

 

In short, the moment of silence needs to be just that, a moment of silence. If the girls want to pray aloud there needs to a protocol.

 

What you call a "game" the courts call "protected speech." That's why it's a loser of a case. The only case that could come about was if a non-Christian was silenced.

I said: Was this against the law? Probably not. Was it in violation of the spirit of the law? Probably so. ========================== I still think it is a thinly veiled end around the law and even if it isn't the ACLU's best case I think it is one they should consider taking on.

 

Spirit of law sounds similar to Holy Spirit. Being religious ?

 

If the 'label is the first amendment, I am not sure how saying a prayer is like establishing a national denomination as King Henry did. That is the intent of the first. I guess intent and spirit are diffent things.

What exactly is the moment of silence for? Who started it? For what? Or in lieu of what?

 

If the law is the first amendment,

 

Thats what I get for using an iphone to type...

What exactly is the moment of silence for? Who started it? For what? Or in lieu of what?

 

My understanding is they were in violation of the law by using the PA system for prayer so they went to a moment of silence. And here is what wikipedia says about a moment of silence:

 

A moment of silence is the expression for a period of silent contemplation, prayer, reflection, or meditation. Similar to flying a flag at half-mast, a moment of silence is often a gesture of respect, particularly in mourning for those who have died recently or as part of a tragic historical event.

 

Silent prayer and worship, including moments of silence practiced during other group activities have been practiced by Quakers for more than 300 years. Since silence contains no statements or assumptions concerning beliefs and requires no understanding of language to interpret, it is more easily accepted and used than a spoken prayer or observance when persons of different religious and cultural backgrounds participate together.

My understanding is they were in violation of the law by using the PA system for prayer so they went to a moment of silence. And here is what wikipedia says about a moment of silence:

 

A moment of silence is the expression for a period of silent contemplation, prayer, reflection, or meditation. Similar to flying a flag at half-mast, a moment of silence is often a gesture of respect, particularly in mourning for those who have died recently or as part of a tragic historical event.

 

Silent prayer and worship, including moments of silence practiced during other group activities have been practiced by Quakers for more than 300 years. Since silence contains no statements or assumptions concerning beliefs and requires no understanding of language to interpret, it is more easily accepted and used than a spoken prayer or observance when persons of different religious and cultural backgrounds participate together.

 

The legal issue here is there is no law against breaking a moment of silence. There also is no law that says individuals or a group of individuals cannot say a prayer on school grounds if they're doing so on a PA system.

 

That's why this IMO will always be allowed and how communities will get around the ban.

 

If a non-Christian wants to say his/her own prayer they can. They can also be drowned out by the rest of the folks. No law to prevent it.