The legal issue here is there is no law against breaking a moment of silence. There also is no law that says individuals or a group of individuals cannot say a prayer on school grounds if they're doing so on a PA system.

 

That's why this IMO will always be allowed and how communities will get around the ban.

 

If a non-Christian wants to say his/her own prayer they can. They can also be drowned out by the rest of the folks. No law to prevent it.

 

Should anyone be allowed to play music during the moment of silence?

Should anyone be allowed to play music during the moment of silence?

 

Legally? Probably so.

^ But that don't make it right, does it?

^ But that don't make it right, does it?

 

There's right and there's legal. I'm saying there is nothing illegal about a group of people at a public school saying a loud prayer.

Have your phone go off during a moment of silence, national anthem, wedding ceremony, funeral or class (college or high school) and you'll get some evil looks.

 

Do a group look-at-us prayer loudly during a moment of silence and get applauded.

 

Double standard.

 

If it was a "moment of REFLECTION", I'd be more understanding.

 

But INTENTIONALLY -- this was no mistake -- violating a moment of silence?

 

I'm NOT so sure this ends well for the cheerleaders. Nor should it.

 

They might know the Lord's Prayer.

But it remains they are high school girls who don't know (or care) what "silence" means.

Have your phone go off during a moment of silence, national anthem, wedding ceremony, funeral or class (college or high school) and you'll get some evil looks.

 

Do a group look-at-us prayer loudly during a moment of silence and get applauded.

 

Double standard.

 

If it was a "moment of REFLECTION", I'd be more understanding.

 

But INTENTIONALLY -- this was no mistake -- violating a moment of silence?

 

I'm NOT so sure this ends well for the cheerleaders. Nor should it.

 

They might know the Lord's Prayer.

But it remains they are high school girls who don't know (or care) what "silence" means.

 

Then again, maybe they are just tired of the "everyone needs to be tolerant" crowd being intolerant.

Then again, maybe they are just tired of the "everyone needs to be tolerant" crowd being intolerant.

 

1) Don't think they are going against "everyone should be tolerant" as much as the no-prayer edict. Them's too different arguments. They're not going off in the national anthem (another time not to be strutting your stuff).

 

2) Of course high school girls are a guiding light when it comes to intolerance.

 

3) By allowing what they did to stand, where does it end? What is now acceptable/unacceptable in a moment of "SILENCE"? Can I start shouting to Allah? Yell out the 10 Commandments? Take a phone call? Send out a text?

 

4) Some of the girls' names are out there. Not too hard to find their facebook/instagram/twitter accounts. ... Let's just say some of them aren't as wholesome as they would appear (based on what they're FREELY willing to post without even bothering to make their account private.

 

Again, if they had done a ton of other things than PRAY, they would NOT be getting applauded. They'd be getting railed (as they should).

 

But because it is prayer (and Christian prayer), suddenly everyone overlooks their intentional defiance.

 

A teen girl being defiant? Knock me over with a feather.

1) Don't think they are going against "everyone should be tolerant" as much as the no-prayer edict. Them's too different arguments. They're not going off in the national anthem (another time not to be strutting your stuff).

 

2) Of course high school girls are a guiding light when it comes to intolerance.

 

3) By allowing what they did to stand, where does it end? What is now acceptable/unacceptable in a moment of "SILENCE"? Can I start shouting to Allah? Yell out the 10 Commandments? Take a phone call? Send out a text?

 

4) Some of the girls' names are out there. Not too hard to find their facebook/instagram/twitter accounts. ... Let's just say some of them aren't as wholesome as they would appear (based on what they're FREELY willing to post without even bothering to make their account private.

 

Again, if they had done a ton of other things than PRAY, they would NOT be getting applauded. They'd be getting railed (as they should).

 

But because it is prayer (and Christian prayer), suddenly everyone overlooks their intentional defiance.

 

A teen girl being defiant? Knock me over with a feather.

 

IMHO, the only reason some are complaining is because it was a Christian prayer.

You truly believe that if one of the cheers sees had plopped up in the stands and started it that there would be less chirping from the usual suspects?

 

Sorry, missed this thread for a few days.

 

There would be chirping but I don't think they would have a case. I think giving them the field helps their case.

1) Don't think they are going against "everyone should be tolerant" as much as the no-prayer edict. Them's too different arguments. They're not going off in the national anthem (another time not to be strutting your stuff). 2) Of course high school girls are a guiding light when it comes to intolerance. 3) By allowing what they did to stand' date=' where does it end? What is now acceptable/unacceptable in a moment of "SILENCE"? Can I start shouting to Allah? Yell out the 10 Commandments? Take a phone call? Send out a text? 4) Some of the girls' names are out there. Not too hard to find their facebook/instagram/twitter accounts. ... Let's just say some of them aren't as wholesome as they would appear (based on what they're FREELY willing to post without even bothering to make their account private. Again, if they had done a ton of other things than PRAY, they would NOT be getting applauded. They'd be getting railed (as they should). But because it is prayer (and Christian prayer), suddenly everyone overlooks their intentional defiance. A teen girl being defiant? Knock me over with a feather.[/quote']

 

 

Are you arguing about being polite or what should be legal?

IMHO, the only reason some are complaining is because it was a Christian prayer.

 

You don't think people would have complained if they all just pulled out their cell phones?

Or just talked to each other like they forgot there was a moment of silence even going on?

Or if they had started a cheer during it?

 

If I was at that game, I would have complained about the school's cheerleaders not being polite/not having respect in that instance.

Are you arguing about being polite or what should be legal?

 

1) As far as being polite, the cheerleaders were way off base. Completely in the wrong (even if their intentions were good).

 

2) As far as being legal, pretty sure it was legal. Never seen anyone go to jail/get a fine at a sporting event for violating the intention of the moment of silence.

 

There are plenty of things that are NOT illegal that people know you shouldn't do at sporting events anyway (even though you COULD do them and not face legal actions).

 

But because it was a public display of Christianity -- even at a time when such displays aren't expected or usually accepted -- folks look the other way.

 

If I MAKE a phone call during a moment of silence or the national anthem, people will go off on me. And they should.

 

If you do a coordinated group prayer in a moment of SILENCE, people look the other way.

 

Either way, me and the cheerleaders were both intentionally defiant. But the former is widespread unaccepted, while the latter gets you national attention for doing the "right thing."

 

No.

 

Me (the phone call maker) and the cheerleaders were both in the WRONG, even if they had good intenions and I clearly did not.

You don't think people would have complained if they all just pulled out their cell phones?

Or just talked to each other like they forgot there was a moment of silence even going on?

Or if they had started a cheer during it?

 

If I was at that game, I would have complained about the school's cheerleaders not being polite/not having respect in that instance.

 

You see what you describe at many sporting events. We could add the children continuing to play football behind the bleachers during the moment of silence could we not?

 

My point is that Christians get far more flack in today's society than many others. In today's society it is "politically correct" to attack Christians.

 

I find it highly offensive that people don't stand, cover their hearts, talk, take phone calls, etc. during the National Anthem. I never say anything because that is their RIGHT to do so.

You see what you describe at many sporting events. We could add the children continuing to play football behind the bleachers during the moment of silence could we not?

 

My point is that Christians get far more flack in today's society than many others. In today's society it is "politically correct" to attack Christians.

 

I find it highly offensive that people don't stand, cover their hearts, talk, take phone calls, etc. during the National Anthem. I never say anything because that is their RIGHT to do so.

 

I agree there are many things going on during national of anthem/moment of silence that shouldn't. Kids (children, not the actual HS on-the-field players) playing is one of them. Or a child on an Ipad/tablet or whatever.

 

That being said, I'm not so sure the cheerleaders are being attacked more than they're being APPLAUDED. I've seen far more links/videos/articles in their favor than against them.

 

Many of these national articles/videos/TV appearances are completely ignoring the fact it was during a moment of silence so they can push the "Bringing God Back" mantra championed by the Holy Church of Duck Dynasty.

 

Make no mistake, at least by national talking heads, the Christian cheerleaders aren't being "attacked" as much as they're being applauded for standing up, showing their beliefs and bringing God back.

 

If we're going to take their side and back them, might as drop the moment of silence entirely. Because obviously there are loopholes and double standards at play.

 

I'm 100 percent confident that if someone shouted "God is not real" or "God is Dead" during a moment of silence at a football game at it was caught on tape, that person would be getting "attacked" way more than our suddenly fearless and enlightened Christian cheerleaders doing what they thought in their heart was right.

I'm 100 percent confident that if someone shouted "God is not real" or "God is Dead" during a moment of silence at a football game at it was caught on tape, that person would be getting "attacked" way more than our suddenly fearless and enlightened Christian cheerleaders doing what they thought in their heart was right.

 

Maybe in the South. Not so much in the rest of the country. Remember the thread about the school in California and the Chic-Fil-A sandwiches?