What right did I ask to be violated? I was simply making a point that ANY ARREST for anything can be dangerous, not just the arrest of murderers.

 

Who said it couldn't be ? But this isolated incident doesn't justify swat in non violent warrants .

 

In past threads you would discredit any swat incident gone wrong as such a minority it wasn't a big deal. Now you are using an isolated incident to justify your opinion. So unless we have an epidemic of graffiti warrants turning into shootouts you can prove I'm going to say swat isn't needed for that warrant.

When these types of incidents happen I always wonder if the severity of the crime involved caused the officer to let his/her guard down a bit. Human nature says that would seem to be a challenge for an officer. It's just a misdemeanor for parking tickets - how hard can it be?

Who said it couldn't be ? But this isolated incident doesn't justify swat in non violent warrants .

 

In past threads you would discredit any swat incident gone wrong as such a minority it wasn't a big deal. Now you are using an isolated incident to justify your opinion. So unless we have an epidemic of graffiti warrants turning into shootouts you can prove I'm going to say swat isn't needed for that warrant.

There is something a lot of people are forgetting. It may have nothing to do with the actual warrant aas much as it may have to do with the person being served. There are people in this county alone that have had a history of fighting cops or even threatening to shoot them if they show up, we have caution notes in addresses of these types of things and if all of a sudden you find yourself having to serve a "Non Violent Warrant" but it is to a specific person that you have had a past with and know he/she could be violent then who is to say the police shouldn't go in as if it could turn violent just so they can protect themselves and be prepared?

There is something a lot of people are forgetting. It may have nothing to do with the actual warrant aas much as it may have to do with the person being served. There are people in this county alone that have had a history of fighting cops or even threatening to shoot them if they show up, we have caution notes in addresses of these types of things and if all of a sudden you find yourself having to serve a "Non Violent Warrant" but it is to a specific person that you have had a past with and know he/she could be violent then who is to say the police shouldn't go in as if it could turn violent just so they can protect themselves and be prepared?

 

I would think in those situations the police should be smart enough not to send an officer into an environment like that alone...

 

Police saftey does not trump the general public. Do we have to go over this again ? Example after example has been posted of either a swat strike gone wrong or used in a non violent crime .

 

Any murder of a police officer is sad and terrible. But we can't keep adding risk on the general public . My question is does Jumper_Dad now think swat should be used in all situations? If so that is not only insane but without logic.

 

Do you think enough swat raids have gone wrong that the general public has been effected? Do you know anyone who has been wrongfully raided by a swat team?

Do you think enough swat raids have gone wrong that the general public has been effected? Do you know anyone who has been wrongfully raided by a swat team?

 

There have been enough go wrong that, coupled with situations like Ferguson, the public seems to be becoming more and more wary of police tactics and equipment. This is not just a few people either. Legislation is being implemented that will curtail or stop the 1033 program and others like it. I read today where a city council has told their police force to get rid of or destroy their MRAP vehicle.

There have been enough go wrong that, coupled with situations like Ferguson, the public seems to be becoming more and more wary of police tactics and equipment. This is not just a few people either. Legislation is being implemented that will curtail or stop the 1033 program and others like it. I read today where a city council has told their police force to get rid of or destroy their MRAP vehicle.

Stupid and short sighted decision on the part of that City Council.

 

#1 use of a MRAP or similar vehicle is to give police officers protection in a situation where there is no other cover to be taken or to recover a injured person that is in the line of fire during an armed stand off.

 

You have mentioned equipment over and over in other threads, what equipment (other than the outrageous photo you posted) do you think is over the top or too much?

I would think in those situations the police should be smart enough not to send an officer into an environment like that alone...

They don't and that is why they are getting crucified in the public for going in with the equipment and number of officers they go in with. That is what this entire SWAT thing was about in the other thread.

There have been enough go wrong that, coupled with situations like Ferguson, the public seems to be becoming more and more wary of police tactics and equipment.

Whenever I read something like this all I can think of is Who Cares?!?!

 

If I'm a cop i could care less what the public thinks of me wearing riot gear or serving a warrant with overkill in equipment as long as it will give me and my fellow co workers a better chance of getting out alive.

They don't and that is why they are getting crucified in the public for going in with the equipment and number of officers they go in with. That is what this entire SWAT thing was about in the other thread.

 

You can send more than one officer and still avoid sending an entire SWAT team. If for some reason I were to ever be served a warrant, I honestly would expect more than one officer to be present...

 

There have been enough go wrong that, coupled with situations like Ferguson, the public seems to be becoming more and more wary of police tactics and equipment. This is not just a few people either. Legislation is being implemented that will curtail or stop the 1033 program and others like it. I read today where a city council has told their police force to get rid of or destroy their MRAP vehicle.

 

Nice way to try and answer the question without really answering the question.

 

Coupled with situations like Ferguson? You mean situations where the media only gives bits and pieces of what's happening in order to report what they want people to know?

 

And that city council is stupid. How will an MRAP hurt anyone? Is it going to run them over? I'd find a new place to work if I were in that city.

Police saftey does not trump the general public.

Sure it does.

 

When the police are risking their lives everyday for the general public then their safety sure in the heck does trump Joe citizen who broke the law and is being served a warrant for his arrest.

 

Do you have any idea how many cops have died just in the time since the Ferguson incident? There have been close to 10 officers killed in the line of duty since the Ferguson incident. I'm sorry, but their safety sure in the heck should come first. I could care less what the public perception is if it bothers someone if they see a group of officers wearing flack jackets etc. when they go into a house to serve an arrest warrant on someone they think may give them trouble.

You can send more than one officer and still avoid sending an entire SWAT team. If for some reason I were to ever be served a warrant, I honestly would expect more than one officer to be present...

My question is what does it matter to you how many officers they send?

 

Who cares, I'm being serious, who really cares?

So what if 6 officers show up to arrest 1 person, as long as they all, including the suspect, all make it out of that incident alive then I call it a success.

 

I mean seriously, I just don't understand the uproar. It's not hurting you is it? Have you been shot by a group of officers trying to serve your neighbor a warrant? I also love how people think any group of more than 2 officers serving a warrant is the SWAT team. There are tactical units that aren't SWAT I hope people know exist in departments.

My question is what does it matter to you how many officers they send?

 

Who cares, I'm being serious, who really cares?

So what if 6 officers show up to arrest 1 person, as long as they all, including the suspect, all make it out of that incident alive then I call it a success.

 

I mean seriously, I just don't understand the uproar. It's not hurting you is it? Have you been shot by a group of officers trying to serve your neighbor a warrant? I also love how people think any group of more than 2 officers serving a warrant is the SWAT team. There are tactical units that aren't SWAT I hope people know exist in departments.

 

Well for one, I never said a group of more than two officers is a SWAT team. It matters to me because the extra officers could be used for other purposes. It also matters to me because IMO, the more officers there are, the more likelihood there is of excessive force. You really don't see an issue with SIX officers going to execute a misdemeanor warrant? That doesn't seem excessive to you? If it doesn't, we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Well for one, I never said a group of more than two officers is a SWAT team. It matters to me because the extra officers could be used for other purposes. It also matters to me because IMO, the more officers there are, the more likelihood there is of excessive force. You really don't see an issue with SIX officers going to execute a misdemeanor warrant? That doesn't seem excessive to you? If it doesn't, we'll just have to agree to disagree.

No, I don't see a problem if a dept uses 6 officers to serve some of their warrants if they feel they need to use that many.

 

Excessive? What is excessive about it? I mean when I think of excessive I'm thinking of it in terms of excessive force, not in numbers. Just because 6 officers are serving a warrant doesn't mean each of them get to kick the suspect in the nuts before they walk him out. I think maybe ....2,000 officers serving a warrant might be too much, but 6, nope.

 

If it gets them all home safe to their families after work then I say it was successful.