I hope Cordia wins the appeal. I know of plenty of schools who would love to fly in kids and their families, host open gym tryouts to non-students and buy prospective athletes clothes. I'm praying Cordia wins this appeal. Booster clubs all across the state will become fund raising experts and then we can all fight for players like AAU teams.

Why is the "this is what Cordia has always done" argument invalid to you? Like I've stated, they actually have always done it. They've done it for kids who weren't good athletes.

 

I'm fairly familiar with the area having grown up there and feel qualified to talk about them based on what I actually know. I've defended them on that one and people have called it into question with, "if these kids weren't good athletes, they wouldn't be doing it". I've stated that I thought they were incorrect and provided evidence that they actually did that.

 

What I've been trying to say is that some of the benefits people see their kids getting are things that are given and think they are things that have only been given to athletes. That is just incorrect and is reflective of people not being familiar with Cordia and how they operate and making assumptions that fit their own preconceived notions.

 

I think it's fair to say that people were never mad about anything Cordia did before it meant their teams might lose some games.

 

If you were a kid from out of state who wanted to go there before and were an awful athlete, I'm going to say they'd have still taken you in if you'd expressed a legitimate interest in going to school there and living in the dorms.

 

Just like programs like Scott County can say, "our name and brand recruits itself" people could just as easily say "the name Roderick Rhodes on our sidelines and having a former NBA and Univeristy of Kentucky basketball player coaching our team is a selling point".

 

I'm not saying Cordia didn't have kids come in just to play basketball. I've never said that. I'm just saying that there are plenty of transfers who, whether legal under the rules or not, wouldn't be at their new schools if not for sports, so if you use that one on Cordia, you have to apply it to lots of other schools as well.

 

I know plenty of other schools probably wouldn't be turning away some of the talent that comes to Cordia if they'd asked to enroll at their school instead.

 

Good luck proving the bolded part.

 

Lotts Creek isn't on many maps.

Cordia is HORRIBLE in academic. Among the worst in a state. In a state NOT KNOWN for academics.

 

So are non-athletes from Mississippi, New Jersey, Africa, Canada, Texas, New York seeking out Cordia? Or have been for a while (and no one cared)?

 

I don't believe that for a second.

 

Kids seek out Hargrave. Oak Hill. Patterson Prep. IMG. Mount Zion. Findlay.

 

What in all that is sane is Cordia known for that people hundreds of miles away have learned about ... yet folks in Kentucky have no clue?

That is an excellent point joker. I read billy hicks comment where he said he doesn't recruit their program sells itself. I was just thinking cordia has the same argument. I know cordia does not have the tradition that Scott co does but in the city Rod Rhodes is still a big name. His is the kid from the streets that was the #2 rated player in the country coming out of high school, a McDonald's all American,major D1 college player and a first round NBA draft pick. Not to mention being an assistant D1 college coach. That is a good reason for kids to want to play for you. I heard a lot of people talk about how Rhodes recruited Cunningham. Cunningham recruited cordia. Rhodes was in California when cordia played in the kba that summer. Cordia was approached by cunningham and 2 other Henry clay players parents. The cordia personnel gave them the number and contact information of the approximate school personel. Cunningham ended up at cordia the other two did not. Since Rhodes has been at cordia 3 seasons. There has been 5 kids that have attended cordia that has signed D1 scholarships. That recruites on it's own. BTW this was Cordia's argument against the khsaa the last couple of years in court. The judge agreed that kids would want to come play for a big name. How many other schools can list a coach with his resume. Not many I would say.

So Rhodes is all innocent concerning the violations???? Is this what you are implying?? That is not even close to the truth....he is solely responsible for the shape Cordia is in right now.....can't believe some are still trying to defend this issue!!

Good luck proving the bolded part.

 

Lotts Creek isn't on many maps.

Cordia is HORRIBLE in academic. Among the worst in a state. In a state NOT KNOWN for academics.

 

So are non-athletes from Mississippi, New Jersey, Africa, Canada, Texas, New York seeking out Cordia? Or have been for a while (and no one cared)?

 

I don't believe that for a second.

 

Kids seek out Hargrave. Oak Hill. Patterson Prep. IMG. Mount Zion. Findlay.

 

What in all that is sane is Cordia known for that people hundreds of miles away have learned about ... yet folks in Kentucky have no clue?

 

 

Have non-athletes from anywhere sought out other schools in the State that the good athletes have wound up at over the years? Have the schools who always wind up with good athletes been penalized?

Who are the 5 division I players that Cordia has had?

No answer, AW.

Who are the 5 division I players that Cordia has had?

 

No answer, AW.

 

 

 

I'm not the one who said it but here's who I'll say given the "There has been 5 kids that have attended cordia that has signed D1 scholarships" comment:

 

1. Emmanuel Oowoahtoah - Fresno State

2. Christen Cunningham - Samford

3. Chris Hudson - Miami of Ohio (football)

4. Malik Hines - UMass

5. ?????

 

 

Again, lionpride89 just said 5 kids who've attended Cordia who signed D1 scholarships, nothing else. Those are 4 that I know for sure, not sure who the 5th is.

If Hines couldn't qualify at Cordia how will he ever qualify at UMass. 1, 2, 3 are correct but Hudson moved on. Furthermore, Hines was highly touted before coming to Cordia. So were Christen and Emmanuel. All three would have been well recognized basketball players regardless of where they played.

If Hines couldn't qualify at Cordia how will he ever qualify at UMass. 1, 2, 3 are correct but Hudson moved on. Furthermore, Hines was highly touted before coming to Cordia. So were Christen and Emmanuel. All three would have been well recognized basketball players regardless of where they played.

 

And the comment was: "There has been 5 kids that have attended cordia that have signed D1 scholarships".

 

It wasn't "5 kids who graduated from Cordia received D1 basketball scholarships and none of them were on anyone's radar before that", nor was it "Hines will definitely qualify at UMass". He said 5 kids who attended there signed a D1 scholarship, that's it. I don't know who the 5th is, but named the 4 that came to mind.

And the comment was: "There has been 5 kids that have attended cordia that have signed D1 scholarships".

 

It wasn't "5 kids who graduated from Cordia received D1 basketball scholarships and none of them were on anyone's radar before that", nor was it "Hines will definitely qualify at UMass". He said 5 kids who attended there signed a D1 scholarship, that's it. I don't know who the 5th is, but named the 4 that came to mind.

 

So, who is the 5th? I'm not sure I'd count Hines since he never played a single game for the Lions. But, I suppose he did attend classes there. He surely didn't sign a Division I scholarship because he was noticed at Cordia though. He was already a D1 recruit before he heard about Cordia.

 

I'm also not sure I would count Hudson since he signed a football scholarship and I didn't see him doing much on the football field at Cordia.

So, who is the 5th? I'm not sure I'd count Hines since he never played a single game for the Lions. But, I suppose he did attend classes there. He surely didn't sign a Division I scholarship because he was noticed at Cordia though. He was already a D1 recruit before he heard about Cordia.

 

I'm also not sure I would count Hudson since he signed a football scholarship and I didn't see him doing much on the football field at Cordia.

 

 

I'm not the one saying they had 5.

 

The original poster said "players who've attended Cordia". Hudson was a very nice athlete, no doubting that. If he wanted to play basketball somewhere, I think it's fair to say he'd have been able to.

 

I know one collegiate coach in Kentucky who has an impressive resume who was a fan of his game based on what I've observed while sitting near him at one of his games and that's only been supported by comments that others have made. We'll never really know, but you'll have a hard time convincing me that Hudson wouldn't be able to go head-to-head with and eat the lunch of some post players from Kentucky who've signed D1 offers.

 

He was basically Hazard's entire team last season and almost took them to a regional championship. If he'd have stayed at Cordia and played on the team with Cunningham, Keita, Chisolm, Catchings, and company, I'd think they'd have been a tough out for anyone in the State if they were playing at the top of their game.

 

Again, no one said that any of the kids weren't D1 recruits before Cordia, that they'd have never gotten them if it weren't for Cordia, no one said anything about qualifying, etc. All that was said was that five kids who've signed D1 scholarships had attended Cordia. Off the top of my head, I knew four names who'd fit that criteria and named them because a poster who hasn't been on for days was getting called out on it after the thread had kind of died off and everyone was discussing the issue in a new one.

If I'm being honest, I would think that Hudson is probably the kid who was helped most by the move to Cordia.

 

In Houston, he's another face in the crowd of really good players, and that goes for both football and basketball.

 

At Cordia and later Hazard, he's an all-star that is developed as the centerpiece of his team over time, plays against schools where he's the best athlete in the game the majority of the time and will get stats and exposure, and is the one kid that I wouldn't definitively say, "oh, he'd have still easily been D1 even if he'd stayed in his situation" about.

 

The depth and talent of athletics in Houston (the 4th most populous city in the US) is unreal. There's no comparing it to anywhere in Kentucky or even the State as a whole. That hasn't even gotten out of his own city, and then he still has to deal with competition of kids from Dallas, Austin, San Antonio, and a bunch of towns that are scattered throughout East Texas that are known for producing solid athletes (think the running back cradle that's produced guys like Earl Campbell, Eric Dickerson, LaDanian Tomlinson, Adrian Peterson, Cedric Benson, etc.).

 

Put Hudson in a Houston school that has D1 scouts coming to games and in football he's probably a kid who'll play some as a junior, start as a senior. In basketball, he's a kid who may or may not make the team, and if he does, will probably play some as a junior and start as a senior. Put him in Kentucky and he's an all-star who'll get noticed in both sports.

I don't really think Hudson was a Division I big man but he might have been able to catch on somewhere. Either way, he plays football and Cordia can't be credited for that.

I don't really think Hudson was a Division I big man but he might have been able to catch on somewhere. Either way, he plays football and Cordia can't be credited for that.

 

 

Again, the poster said five players who'd signed D1 scholarships who'd attended Cordia. At this point, it's just arguing over semantics.

 

 

I think Hudson would eat McDonald, Knipp, or some other big's lunches in a one-on-one setting because he's just as tall as them but far more muscular and athletic, so I don't think it's a stretch to say he'd be able to stick on as an inch too short but strong, athletic 4-man at somewhere like EKU or NKU. I've seen guys who don't have his physical tools and abilities go much further. Like I said, I know of one collegiate coach in Kentucky who is well respected who seemed enamored with his game, and I don't know of any reason why the circumstances of that would be exaggerated.

 

 

Put Hudson in Houston and on the roster of a football or basketball power and he's waaaayyy more likely to be another guy who'd play some as a junior, start as a senior.

 

Just like you say with Cordia there's no football, I'd say that without Cordia and Rhodes investing in him as one of the first kids that came (and one that I'm guessing the program didn't want to lose), he doesn't wind up as a standout TE at Hazard High.

 

Even if you say, "if he had to make a living playing one sport it'd be...", then I'd still say basketball. I say that without seeing him play football much and not because I think he's a better collegiate prospect on the hardwood than he is on the gridiron. I say that on basis of football being a sport that's really only played in the US and Canada (meaning he's NFL, CFL, Arena Football, or some type of arena league that may struggle to stay afloat) whereas in basketball there are lots and lots more roster spots and contracts available just based on sheer numbers.

I think Williams was the kids name. He is the 5th. He and his brother came from texas the same time Hudson came in. He plays D-1 football also. I believe at Arizona. He was a sophmore Rhodes first year as Cordia coach.