A piece of paper wasn't going to save this lady. At some point when a relationship becomes scary, a man or women, has to take up arms to save their own lives.

But maybe, just maybe an initial warning could have gone out. And maybe, it could have been a deterrent to the husband.

A scared woman goes to the police and asks for help. They tell her they will help her tomorrow, after it is signed. Now she is dead.

 

Why don't we blame the guy who pulled the trigger? A piece of paper wasn't going to change his mind. He murdered two people and tried to kill himself, yet you think the thought of violating a misdemeanor epo would have deterred him?

Why don't we blame the guy who pulled the trigger? A piece of paper wasn't going to change his mind. He murdered two people and tried to kill himself, yet you think the thought of violating a misdemeanor epo would have deterred him?

You are right. It was going to happen anyway.

 

I guess I'm the only one who sees it this way:

I have this job where if there is a last minute rush order at 3pm, we do our best to get it done, even if someone has to stay a few minutes after 5. My point is that a scared woman was told that nobody could help her until Tuesday.

Same outcome? Maybe. But maybe not.

If I'm working in the department who told her that nobody can help her until Tuesday, I'm feeling downright horrible about this. And I'm wondering, "What if?"

You are right. It was going to happen anyway.

 

I guess I'm the only one who sees it this way:

I have this job where if there is a last minute rush order at 3pm, we do our best to get it done, even if someone has to stay a few minutes after 5. My point is that a scared woman was told that nobody could help her until Tuesday.

Same outcome? Maybe. But maybe

If I'm working in the department who told her that nobody can help her until Tuesday, I'm feeling downright horrible about this. And I'm wondering, "What if?"

 

 

 

So you have all the details of exactly what happened? You know for sure the Sheriffs department made the call to wait? Do you know what was on the EPO? Do you know if a judge was contacted?

So you have all the details of exactly what happened? You know for sure the Sheriffs department made the call to wait? Do you know what was on the EPO? Do you know if a judge was contacted?

No, Sir. Just read the article in the first post of the thread. Just commenting on the article as we often do here on BGP.

 

From the article:

"Nicole filed a protection order against Shaun yesterday around 3 p.m., telling Sheriff Dills that Shaun had been bothering her. Since the report was filed toward the end of the day, it was not signed Monday. "

No, Sir. Just read the article in the first post of the thread. Just commenting on the article as we often do here on BGP.

 

From the article:

"Nicole filed a protection order against Shaun yesterday around 3 p.m., telling Sheriff Dills that Shaun had been bothering her. Since the report was filed toward the end of the day, it was not signed Monday. "

 

So you are basically blaming the police for these murders even though you don't know half the story?

If had been signed, what happens next? I'm thinking that he still would not have been informed about it given the time frame.

No, Sir. Just read the article in the first post of the thread. Just commenting on the article as we often do here on BGP.

 

From the article:

"Nicole filed a protection order against Shaun yesterday around 3 p.m., telling Sheriff Dills that Shaun had been bothering her. Since the report was filed toward the end of the day, it was not signed Monday. "

 

Judges have to sign EPOs, not law enforcement. Point your blame elsewhere

FWIW I think if the County Attorney's office is open you file for those at the CA not the Sheriff's office in most counties. After hours in our county you go to the Sheriffs office and apply for an EPO and they then contact a judge. If the Judges approves it is then served on the other party.

The video says she talked to police about an EPO, so she may not have even filed the paperwork.

Regardless of if she did file or not, the bottom line is...that would not have stopped this man. Period.

Sheriff: Woman sought protection order hours before she was slain | Local News - WLWT Home

By reading that it's possible the issue was he hadn't been served yet. Probably wouldn't have mattered anyway

When people have no fear of losing their own life, it makes them very, very dangerous. No piece of paper was going to stop this man. And unless the woman had some sort of protection detail with her, or unless he was being watched by officers, I think this unfortunate incident was darn near inevitable.

I'll be teaching my daughter to shoot when she gets older, a piece of paper isn't protection.