Sometimes there are just unfortunate situations with unfortunate outcome. If only everyone could be as perfect as those who demand perfection...

 

That a true problem-solving philosophy. :ohbrother:

 

That a true problem-solving philosophy. :ohbrother:

 

I wasn't aware that was a "problem solving" suggestion. Nor is it a "philosophy". My suggestion to you would be to be purchase a dictionary to learn definitions.

 

Just simply an "observation" that sometimes bad things happen. I just certainly enjoy the perspective of a few on here who expect perfection out of others. Maybe everyone should hold themselves to the high standards that they hold others to...

I wasn't aware that was a "problem solving" suggestion. Nor is it a "philosophy". My suggestion to you would be to be purchase a dictionary to learn definitions.

 

Just simply an "observation" that sometimes bad things happen. I just certainly enjoy the perspective of a few on here who expect perfection out of others. Maybe everyone should hold themselves to the high standards that they hold others to...

 

Thanks for the advice! :lol2: Now...back to the thread??

 

Thanks for the advice! :lol2: Now...back to the thread??

 

Anytime. I'm all for sticking to the thread. I'll just veer off the path to call out ignorant assumptions about me :thumb: I love dogs. Got 4 of them. Spent 10-15 hours of mine own time this week looking for an out of towners dog that got loose. I'd hate to ever have to harm a dog.

So he should wait until the dog makes contact before shooting it? If a dog is growling and coming at you is it attacking your or threatening you?

How do meter readers and UPS drivers deal with growling dogs? Do they routinely shoot them?

How do meter readers and UPS drivers deal with growling dogs? Do they routinely shoot them?

 

They avoid them to the best of their ability. I have a friend who is a postman and carries spray. He will be the first to tell you it doesn't always work.

 

Also, its not just the growling. If a dog is advancing towards you while growling or other threatening behavior, at what point are you threatened enough that you use force on the dog? Do you wait till it's clamped down on your arm/leg/neck? Of do you show it your badge and tell it to stop?

Anytime. I'm all for sticking to the thread. I'll just veer off the path to call out ignorant assumptions about me :thumb: I love dogs. Got 4 of them. Spent 10-15 hours of mine own time this week looking for an out of towners dog that got loose. I'd hate to ever have to harm a dog.

 

That is nice to hear. I think this is germane to the thread...events of nature and accidents are unfortunate incidents that "just happen" in my opinion. A series of bad choices and poor decision-making with bad consequences require problem-solving and corrective actions to prevent re-occurances... again, in my opinion. I expect people that we commission to carry deadly weapons and protect the peace have a higher level of training and sensitivity than anyone else we may pull off the street. I don't believe that is an unrealistic expectation nor pious (falsely appearing to be good or moral - for those requiring dictionaries).

They avoid them to the best of their ability. I have a friend who is a postman and carries spray. He will be the first to tell you it doesn't always work.

 

Also, its not just the growling. If a dog is advancing towards you while growling or other threatening behavior, at what point are you threatened enough that you use force on the dog? Do you wait till it's clamped down on your arm/leg/neck? Of do you show it your badge and tell it to stop?

If shoot-first is part of the police training, then the training is at fault. I'm just saying that people other than police officers deal with dogs regularly, and they don't go around blasting them on the animal's home turf.

If shoot-first is part of the police training, then the training is at fault. I'm just saying that people other than police officers deal with dogs regularly, and they don't go around blasting them on the animal's home turf.

Why are you avoiding the question? No one said shoot-first in how it should be handled. But when you have an animal moving towards you in an aggressive manner only a few feet at way (your words) what real options do you have? If the dog has it in their mind to attack and is only a few feet away you have maybe 1-2 seconds to react. So whats your choice? Use your pepper spray which may not work, your taser which you have one shot and a chance of missing, or your pistol?

 

Which is it? I can tell you what the ups man or the meter reader would do in that situation, get bit.

Is this a different discussion if the dog was a pitbull and charged him before he shot? or bit him before he shot it?

 

 

Of course it is. Pitbulls are the most unfairly scrutinized dogs in the world.

I can guarantee you that meter readers have killed dogs. I would be willing to bet far more of them have killed many more dogs than anyone knows.

All the facts necessary are known here IMO. He was somewhere he had no legal right to be (that's trespassing, is it not?), he then shot and killed a dog who was properly restrained, not because he was attacked, but because he felt threatened by the dog. What other facts are necessary?

 

And I'll ask a third time, since no one seems to want to give an answer....Why would the responding officers not check the missing kid's own home and property before going out to the rest of the neighborhood?

 

I'm assuming more than one officer responded to a missing child and there were multiple officers looking. If an officer or two are looking in and around the home I as a parent would hope others are looking in the area around my house too and not just in my house. Maybe some were checking in the house and some were checking neighboring houses.

Why are you avoiding the question? No one said shoot-first in how it should be handled. But when you have an animal moving towards you in an aggressive manner only a few feet at way (your words) what real options do you have? If the dog has it in their mind to attack and is only a few feet away you have maybe 1-2 seconds to react. So whats your choice? Use your pepper spray which may not work, your taser which you have one shot and a chance of missing, or your pistol?

 

Which is it? I can tell you what the ups man or the meter reader would do in that situation, get bit.

 

You have good questions which I think should be taken seriously. I think we all agree that the gun should be a last option, if even an option at all. First off maybe meter readers, policemen should carry an item to fend off dogs...like a paddle...it should be something wide to block the dogs face...it works. Then, training would teach one to stand your ground or back away slowly with the paddle to block advances. Many, many dogs will charge and pull up. Most breeds do not have an inclination to attack humans if the humans stand their ground. Proper exposure and training can help policemen, mailpeople and meter readers to read a situation. Then, if in doubt, don't read the meter or deliver the mail. In the policeman's case, and if they felt they HAD to search the premises, they should have called animal control.

You have good questions which I think should be taken seriously. I think we all agree that the gun should be a last option, if even an option at all. First off maybe meter readers, policemen should carry an item to fend off dogs...like a paddle...it should be something wide to block the dogs face...it works. Then, training would teach one to stand your ground or back away slowly with the paddle to block advances. Many, many dogs will charge and pull up. Most breeds do not have an inclination to attack humans if the humans stand their ground. Proper exposure and training can help policemen, mailpeople and meter readers to read a situation. Then, if in doubt, don't read the meter or deliver the mail. In the policeman's case, and if they felt they HAD to search the premises, they should have called animal control.

 

All the stuff police carry on them and you want to add a paddle?

Sometimes there are just unfortunate situations with unfortunate outcome. If only everyone could be as perfect as those who demand perfection...

 

Killing someones dog for doing absolutely nothing wrong is way different than say....messing up some numbers on a spreadsheet at work. Cops take the job knowing the risks. If they're okay with non-chalantely killing dogs that's a problem. Completely ridiculous reaction to this particular situation.

 

 

I haven't read any of the posts past about page one, but has anyone asked the question...why didn't they check the yard for dogs before they jumped the fence?