June 26, 201412 yr I am sure that I could find the raw numbers, but they would tell the same story. Obama won the under $30,000/year vote by a wide margin and Romney won the majority of the votes of net federal taxpayers by a smaller margin. Surely, these numbers do not surprise you, do they? I would be shocked if the great majority of voters who receive government assistance did not vote for Democrats or that those who bear most of the tax burden did not tend to vote for Republicans. We have to be careful here and not assume that every person making under $30,000 is on some sort of public assistance. I'm guessing a good chunk of the under $30k number is young adults, recent college grads, etc....those who are just starting careers. I think this is just as indicative of the Republican Party failing to resonate with young people as opposed to the poor "sweeping" Obama into office. So while the poor on assistance are part of this group, it's also fair to say they don't make up the whole group. It would be interesting to see actual numbers rather than just percentages, and polling to see how many that are truly on assistance actually voted (I'll accept the fact that most of them probably voted Democrat) to see what the impact actually was.
June 26, 201412 yr Here: NOW I am following you. I missed seeing a whole column in your original table. Sorry for the confusion and thanks for leading me around like a lost puppy. :lol2:
June 26, 201412 yr How is it being limited? In Rural Kentucky I have to show an ID to Vote, but for some reason it is a hardship for those in other areas to do the same. That is a tired argument that showing an ID is a determent to voting. Do you think this is a good idea... New York Dem: Illegals Should Have The Right To Vote | The Daily Caller Are Voter ID Laws Good Policy? | Institute of Government and Public Affairs Federal Court Rejects Texas' Voter ID Law As Unfair : NPR Federal judge strikes down 'unfair' Wisconsin voter ID law | World news | theguardian.com Why NC's Voter ID law is unfair | Other Views | NewsObserver.com Pennsylvania State Officials Testify Voter ID Law Is Unfair - US News
June 26, 201412 yr NOW I am following you. I missed seeing a whole column in you original table. Sorry for the confusion and thanks for leading me around like a lost puppy. :lol2: No apologies necessary. Your questions made me double check my numbers.
June 26, 201412 yr So if my math is right (and that's always a big "if"), 66,000,000 people voted for Obama in 2012. Roughly 31,000,000 of them make less than $50,000, which is 47%. Remember 47%?
June 26, 201412 yr So if my math is right (and that's always a big "if"), 66,000,000 people voted for Obama in 2012. Roughly 31,000,000 of them make less than $50,000, which is 47%. Remember 47%? I would be one of those.:thumb:
June 26, 201412 yr What I'd like to see is those numbers crunched a little tighter. Those three ranges of income seem somewhat broad to me. Regardless, it's not like this is anything new, is it? Those who make less tend to vote Democrat & those who make more tend to vote Republican.
June 26, 201412 yr We have to be careful here and not assume that every person making under $30,000 is on some sort of public assistance. I'm guessing a good chunk of the under $30k number is young adults, recent college grads, etc....those who are just starting careers. I think this is just as indicative of the Republican Party failing to resonate with young people as opposed to the poor "sweeping" Obama into office. So while the poor on assistance are part of this group, it's also fair to say they don't make up the whole group. It would be interesting to see actual numbers rather than just percentages, and polling to see how many that are truly on assistance actually voted (I'll accept the fact that most of them probably voted Democrat) to see what the impact actually was. Good point. It's hard to arrive at and support conclusions without knowing that information. Additionally, at the moment, the only data that we have st the moment is on those making under $50,000.
June 26, 201412 yr What I'd like to see is those numbers crunched a little tighter. Those three ranges of income seem somewhat broad to me. Regardless, it's not like this is anything new, is it? Those who make less tend to vote Democrat & those who make more tend to vote Republican. No. Not a huge surprise. It's like the complaints that such a large percentage of blacks voted for Obama, when a large percentage of blacks vote democrat in every presidential election. An interesting statistic that I just crunched from your table: 36,000,000 white voting for Obama 15,000,000 black voting for Obama Not surprising, really, just nice to have the numbers.
June 26, 201412 yr So if my math is right (and that's always a big "if"), 66,000,000 people voted for Obama in 2012. Roughly 31,000,000 of them make less than $50,000, which is 47%. Remember 47%? Well, we can't fault Romney on his math. :lol2:
June 26, 201412 yr Not surprising, really, just nice to have the numbers. Agreed. I'm going to look for some other stats that are more specific.
June 26, 201412 yr Good point. It's hard to arrive at and support conclusions without knowing that information. Additionally, at the moment, the only data that we have st the moment is on those making under $50,000. The other piece to consider, is it has been shown over the years, that the poor (at least those on assistance) traditionally don't make up a large part of the voting base anyway. Again, no argument from me that they vote overwhelmingly Democrat (although when you look hard, especially at the rural poor, that group votes overwhelmingly Republican). The biggest issue is you can bend and interpret these by subdividing, or combining groups, into a way that will support almost any opinion. I don't think its the poor, welfare/public assistance recipients (and that's a group that's easy to blame, because they really don't have much of a voice, or the forum to respond) that are creating the issues for Republicans. Until they find a way to resonate with young adults, women and minorities, it will be tough for any Republican to get elected to the highest office.
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