So then its the AD or principal, not the coach having that authority, in your own situation. The coach by him/herself doesnt.

Then maybe because the KHSAA is worried about situations like this, they should give coaches the authority to do just that. That could be part of the solution.

First off I didn't post this thread. AS far as me being ejected, yes I did say the one sentence. This ump had been hearing it from all the coaches and fans all game long, I was simply the scapegoat and that is what I said to get booted. Put it this way, it was such a bad ejection the Boone AD met me half way to the parking lot and felt so bad for me being ejected that he wanted me to watch the game from a spot he pointed out that the umpire couldn't see me. I thanked him but said it's alright and went and waited in the car for the game to finish. Also so you know, this was not the AD for the team I was there for, but Boone's AD who was at the game and saw what happened. So sorry to dissapoint you, but you telling me to stick to posts related to the game of baseball, I wonder why you are posting in this thread, shouldn't you be the one following your own suggestion? This thread is about parents etc. getting unruly at games.

 

Maybe you thought this thread was about something else.

 

I guess reading this I have one question. If the parents were so bad at that game and you happened to be the one picked out of the crowd, how is it a bad ejection? It may not have been the correct person ejected, like you said, but it obviously got bad enough for the umpire to say something.

 

I've been to my share of baseball, softball & basketball games over the years why some parents think they have a right to yell, scream and carry on. If you were tossed for only yelling one thing then I wonder why in the first place were you yelling?

Thanks for clearing that up. You are so wise in the ways of the world. Maybe the KHSAA should hire you as a field general for the 9th region? If a parent needs to be ejected, you could just walk them to their car. If it was a lesser offense, say questioning the integrity of the umpire by inferring that he is making biased calls against one team, because he is a graduate of the team they are playing, maybe you could just write him a ticket or citation or something like that?

 

I will send an email to Julian Tackett now to see if he can get started on it.

Apparently I am wiser than you. You see, you do not see the difference in cursing and cussing up a storm as well as threatening an umpire than saying "he must be a Boone grad"

 

So because of that, you are right, I am the all knowing and wise one and you should take lessons from me.

 

Apparently you have taught your kids that cursing and acting like a 3 year old is perfectly good behavior at games. I would be more than happy to educate you on how to behave at games if you like.

I guess reading this I have one question. If the parents were so bad at that game and you happened to be the one picked out of the crowd, how is it a bad ejection? It may not have been the correct person ejected, like you said, but it obviously got bad enough for the umpire to say something.

 

I've been to my share of baseball, softball & basketball games over the years why some parents think they have a right to yell, scream and carry on. If you were tossed for only yelling one thing then I wonder why in the first place were you yelling?

It was meant as I was the scapegoat. That was the bad part but I never argued it. I never argued the ejection at all. I simply said ok and walked out. I know the umpire was getting all kind of heat the entire game by all the coaches etc. and had simply had enough. So when he turned and said "you are gone" I said ok and walked away.

 

Oh and also, I wasn't yelling. I was sitting directly behind the home plate right behind the screen about 5 feet from the ump at that point in the game when I said what I said and trust me there was no yelling involved lol. He was close enough to hear me whisper if i whispered

 

It was really simple, no arguing, which can't be said of the incident the other week in which the person argued for a good 5 mins afterwards while still cursing the ump etc.

 

If you are tossed, just leave.

 

The situation which I was ejected...btw it was in 2011 not last year. But that incident didn't surprise me because of all the heat the ump was getting. He was having a bad day to say the least, 2 mins before I said what I said he just called a foul ball that was foul by 3 feet fair, this after the batter was already heading back to the plate to continue his bat etc. lol. He wasn't having a good day and heard it from like I said coaches and everyone on both teams, it was just a matter of time that he took it out on someone and I was the lucky one. If I were the ump I would of tossed someone too lol. I never argued it at all because I knew he was at his boiling point.

 

If anyone wants to compare that to what happened a couple weeks ago, especially foghorn who apparently was at both and can't see the difference on how an "adult" like myself handled the ejection and the Boone fan who was ejected the other week well then they don't need to be commenting in this thread in the first place. My guess is Foghorn may have been involved a couple weeks ago... Just a guess

Edited May 12, 201412 yr by Hellbird

Hellbird having been ejected makes him all the more qualified because of his insight on both sides of the issue. Cursing tirades and touching an umps are unacceptable in any instance. With Twitter, gamechanger, and Iscore no one will really miss anything, but the game would be much more enjoyable for everyone else. My son never came home from a game and commented on any belligerent fan or how intelligent that yelling guy sounded. They want to play the game. They think all adults are idiots already!

There are some parents who think since their child plays on a "select/travel" team during the HS off-season, they should be playing more often than not during HS. They can't understand how come little Johnny isn't a starter after playing on such a team and after spending so much money on lessons/equipment/travel/etc.

They also think that since they've been to 60+ games/season, they know more about coaching the game. If their HS coaches having a different coaching philosophy than what they're use to, it drives them nuts.

 

Most parents understand that HS ball is not the same as their kid's "select/travel" team, and can deal with the differences. Those who expect their HS coaches to treat their kid/team in the same manner as the "select/travel" team he's been on for years are typically not going to be happy.

I don't know if most HS teams have a parent meeting prior to the season (ours did not), but I think this would be a good idea for coaches. Though a meeting might not change the attitudes of all the parents, it could do enough to make the season go better for some if they had a general idea of what to expect.

There are some parents who think since their child plays on a "select/travel" team during the HS off-season, they should be playing more often than not during HS. They can't understand how come little Johnny isn't a starter after playing on such a team and after spending so much money on lessons/equipment/travel/etc.

They also think that since they've been to 60+ games/season, they know more about coaching the game. If their HS coaches having a different coaching philosophy than what they're use to, it drives them nuts.

 

Most parents understand that HS ball is not the same as their kid's "select/travel" team, and can deal with the differences. Those who expect their HS coaches to treat their kid/team in the same manner as the "select/travel" team he's been on for years are typically not going to be happy.

I don't know if most HS teams have a parent meeting prior to the season (ours did not), but I think this would be a good idea for coaches. Though a meeting might not change the attitudes of all the parents, it could do enough to make the season go better for some if they had a general idea of what to expect.

You make a great point about meeting before the season etc.

 

We have every year and the coach always seems to lay down the ground rules for what he expects out of the parents. I think all schools should do the same. Just as you stated, let it be known before hand.

Why do we as a society feel the need as parents/fans feel the need to insert ourselves into a game that we merely paid to be a spectator? Do we not understand the definition of spectator? I have not once in my life yelled and an umpire or referee. 1. Because it is pointless, all it does is give you self gratification. Doesn't help the game one bit. 2. Because it is plain unsportsmanlike. Sports are an Avenue to teach our children how to work well in most workplaces in knowing how to work well with teammates/coworkers. 3. There is a good chance that there will not be 1 single player on that field that will ever be able to make it to the big leagues, shoot most won't even play in college.

Why do we as a society feel the need as parents/fans feel the need to insert ourselves into a game that we merely paid to be a spectator? Do we not understand the definition of spectator? I have not once in my life yelled and an umpire or referee. 1. Because it is pointless, all it does is give you self gratification. Doesn't help the game one bit. 2. Because it is plain unsportsmanlike. Sports are an Avenue to teach our children how to work well in most workplaces in knowing how to work well with teammates/coworkers. 3. There is a good chance that there will not be 1 single player on that field that will ever be able to make it to the big leagues, shoot most won't even play in college.

I understand what you are saying, and I am guilty of voicing my opinion when I feel bad calls by the umpire etc. but I also realize the difference in crossing the line etc. and if I ever I do I will be the first to admit it. I have never gone as far as what I've seen at some games though.

 

I never see a problem with disagreeing with an umpire etc. but there is a difference in that and taking it too far.

Why do we as a society feel the need as parents/fans feel the need to insert ourselves into a game that we merely paid to be a spectator? Do we not understand the definition of spectator? I have not once in my life yelled and an umpire or referee. 1. Because it is pointless, all it does is give you self gratification. Doesn't help the game one bit. 2. Because it is plain unsportsmanlike. Sports are an Avenue to teach our children how to work well in most workplaces in knowing how to work well with teammates/coworkers. 3. There is a good chance that there will not be 1 single player on that field that will ever be able to make it to the big leagues, shoot most won't even play in college.

 

The players that do go on to the next level usually do so without an obnoxious parent making it all about themselves and not their child.

There are some parents who think since their child plays on a "select/travel" team during the HS off-season, they should be playing more often than not during HS. They can't understand how come little Johnny isn't a starter after playing on such a team and after spending so much money on lessons/equipment/travel/etc.

They also think that since they've been to 60+ games/season, they know more about coaching the game. If their HS coaches having a different coaching philosophy than what they're use to, it drives them nuts.

 

Most parents understand that HS ball is not the same as their kid's "select/travel" team, and can deal with the differences. Those who expect their HS coaches to treat their kid/team in the same manner as the "select/travel" team he's been on for years are typically not going to be happy.

I don't know if most HS teams have a parent meeting prior to the season (ours did not), but I think this would be a good idea for coaches. Though a meeting might not change the attitudes of all the parents, it could do enough to make the season go better for some if they had a general idea of what to expect.

 

I do think most schools do this. However, I don't think it makes one difference as to how parents behave at games. Baseball and Basketball are by far the worst for loudmouth parents that are convinced they know the rules better than anyone else at the game. It amazes me how many people feel the officials/umpires have a built in bias and are doing whatever they can to cause one team to lose. This is another of those situations where about 2% of the people cause 90% of the problems. The vast majority of parents are well behaved and respectful, but the few that aren't stick out like a sore thumb.

Hellbird I usually agree with much of what you say, but this one is too far. Why do coaches have this responsibility? What more do you want to put on the coaches? Control the game, control the players, now control the stands? Ban parents/fans? Okay, but let the school administration do that. And exactly where do you draw the line? The extreme case is easy, but what about that guy that goes crazy then backs off for awhile? Pretty tough call to make, especially for somebody who is likely focused on the game rather than the fans in the stands. Blaming coaches and/or schools for the poor behavior of fans is pretty thin. I'll agree about issuing some consequences for boorish behavior, but not in any way would I put it on the coaches.

 

I agree with Hellbird in basic premise. Clearly, in most cases, if a parent is out of control... The word will get around and back to the coach (either through players, other parents or fans).

If it involves a terrible incident or multiple incidents... I see nothing wrong with a coach stepping in and talking to the AD and the parent in question. I don't think it puts too much on a coaches plate as I've been too a lot of games and have not seen many incidents (even in seriously emotional rivalry games).

But if the crap does hit the fan, I would hope the coach on my kids' teams would try to step in some way if possible... Admittedly, I don't know what a coach can specifically do in these cases... Other than maybe have rules and expectations for players and parents typed up and sent home before the season and have people sign it.

I do think most schools do this. However, I don't think it makes one difference as to how parents behave at games. Baseball and Basketball are by far the worst for loudmouth parents that are convinced they know the rules better than anyone else at the game. It amazes me how many people feel the officials/umpires have a built in bias and are doing whatever they can to cause one team to lose. This is another of those situations where about 2% of the people cause 90% of the problems. The vast majority of parents are well behaved and respectful, but the few that aren't stick out like a sore thumb.

 

Maybe each school could just hire Hellbird to give a preseason presentation to their parents on exactly what is and what isn't acceptable behavior from them? He seems to have that under control.

It was meant as I was the scapegoat. That was the bad part but I never argued it. I never argued the ejection at all. I simply said ok and walked out. I know the umpire was getting all kind of heat the entire game by all the coaches etc. and had simply had enough. So when he turned and said "you are gone" I said ok and walked away.

 

Oh and also, I wasn't yelling. I was sitting directly behind the home plate right behind the screen about 5 feet from the ump at that point in the game when I said what I said and trust me there was no yelling involved lol. He was close enough to hear me whisper if i whispered

 

It was really simple, no arguing, which can't be said of the incident the other week in which the person argued for a good 5 mins afterwards while still cursing the ump etc.

 

If you are tossed, just leave.

 

The situation which I was ejected...btw it was in 2011 not last year. But that incident didn't surprise me because of all the heat the ump was getting. He was having a bad day to say the least, 2 mins before I said what I said he just called a foul ball that was foul by 3 feet fair, this after the batter was already heading back to the plate to continue his bat etc. lol. He wasn't having a good day and heard it from like I said coaches and everyone on both teams, it was just a matter of time that he took it out on someone and I was the lucky one. If I were the ump I would of tossed someone too lol. I never argued it at all because I knew he was at his boiling point.

 

If anyone wants to compare that to what happened a couple weeks ago, especially foghorn who apparently was at both and can't see the difference on how an "adult" like myself handled the ejection and the Boone fan who was ejected the other week well then they don't need to be commenting in this thread in the first place. My guess is Foghorn may have been involved a couple weeks ago... Just a guess

 

 

My bad, I thought you said you were part of the ejection a couple weeks ago and that you only said 1 thing. Must not have read it all the way.

I've been to a fair amount of baseball games this year and haven't witnessed one parent who was out of line.