His old music and tweets.

 

Gotcha. Looked it up. He once tweeted that "Bush brought down the towers." He was quoting another song that he likes. Does that make him a birther? Not sure.

Gotcha. Looked it up. He once tweeted that "Bush brought down the towers." He was quoting another song that he likes. Does that make him a birther? Not sure.

 

I read an article on it I'll have to find it. Could it be fabricated, sure. I may just have my blinders on because I think he is a bad hip hop artist and I just want a reason to dislike him.

I thank my lucky stars that finally there are some straight folks in this world that truly "Get It".

 

Macklemore is a straight guy that obviously does. Kudos to him.

 

Believe it or not, I've been in numerous social settings of both gay and straight people where the topic of someone's sexuality is in general passe', and not a point of discussion. For it to be would be considered pretty shallow and narrow minded.

 

On the flip side I been in the company of very nice straight people that mean no harm, who've had little experience being around anyone gay that, I'm for certain that I really should have had the scarlet letter "G" embroidered on my shirt when in their company.

 

Perhaps as times goes by for them they too will eventually find the topic passe' or not important, but on many occasions it's apparent to me that the whole time they're looking at me, or speaking with me, they can't get the word "Gay" out of their minds, and not because I've told them, or my mannerisms scream stereotypical gay, but others at the gathering have made sure to alert all that there's "Oh the horror" a gay person in the room, and once they know their brain can't get past it.

 

Now thankfully in this setting no one comes up to me and forwardly objects, but no matter what comes out of my mouth some sophomoric comment will follow from someone else that would appear to be all in fun, just as I pretend to take it all in fun, and others will follow with chuckles, when little do they know that their comments sound about as shallow as the day is long, but being a minority in the room, the chuckles outweigh any sense of class. The mob rules so to speak.

 

I consider the shallow source and let if roll off of me like water off a duck, and wonder that, with their addressing me in fun are they one step from understanding, or are they one step from being insulting, judgmental, and shallow? Sometimes it's hard to tell. Thankfully so at least I'm not being surrounded by misguided illogical so called straight guys in deliverance fashion, or any other forms of uncalled for violence that I hope never comes my way.

 

I feel blessed in many ways that even the gigglers are relatively harmless, and I hope in some small way just by being a down to earth person, that they can eventually come around.

 

What irritates me though, although I deal with it, is that they quite often come off to me as if they are superior, and that me being gay somehow makes me a lesser person, and worthy of joking ridicule.

 

If I turned around and made a sny joking response to how shallow they are I guarantee that they'd be appalled and wouldn't begin to understand how I could say such insulting things. How dare I? I obviously don't, but can't help to think what I'd like to say.

 

My partner and I were this summer at a Blondie show dancing and singing together and probably sent off the vibe that we were a couple without going overboard as if we where trying to make a scene.

 

On one side of us was an abrasive drunk straight couple that were out of control and trying their best to nudge us over to allow them to have more space to drunkenly fly their freak flag. On the other side of us was a mild mannered guy in his 40's that I barely noticed throughout the show.

 

As we were leaving, the mild mannered guy stopped us and said "I hope you guys don't mind me saying this" and I was a little nervous for what was to come next but he followed with, "My teenaged son just came out of the closet and I want to thank the two of you for pioneering the way for him to live in a world where he can be who he is, I'm happy for the two of you and want to let you know what a fine example the two of you are to just be real, and showing how normal it is for you to be together".

 

We thanked him for the kind words, and we were solidly appreciative for what he had said, and felt pleased to know that little by little the world was changing their perception. I've been seeing more and more good examples of things like that as time goes by and thankfully so.

 

I don't at all consider what Macklemore says in "Same Love" as "In your face" or lacking understanding of various opinions. I see it as for once some straight guy has come forward and told it like it was in a real "reality check" fashion.

 

I do however feel that the oppression of gays that has been going on by society for years and years has truly been "In your face" and worthy of a counter balance of realness and truth that tells it like it is.

 

I give tremendous thanks for him writing this tune because just perhaps more people would listen if coming from someone who's not gay. It gives a great example that straight people too can "get it" if they tried to understand.

 

Just in case anyone cared or couldn't understand his whole rap I thought that for the sake of the thread being more complete I'd provide the lyrics because he really does say a mouthful.

 

I particularly care a whole lot about his lyrics regarding teenagers who consider committing suicide as I can relate to that, and fear that too many have, many do, and many will. I sure hope we can stop that in the future. Songs like this can surely help.

 

I find it funny that someone for once retaliating to an attitude that has been so "In your face" and prevalent over the years in oppressive fashion is in itself considered "In your face".

 

Y'know you can only poke a dog for so long...

 

"Same Love"

 

When I was in the 3rd grade I thought that I was gay 'cause I could draw,

My uncle was and I kept my room straight

I told my mom, tears rushing down my face, she's like,

"Ben you've loved girls since before pre-K"

Trippin', yeah, I guess she had a point, didn't she?

A bunch of stereotypes all in my head

I remember doing the math like "Yeah, I'm good a little league"

A pre-conceived idea of what it all meant

For those who like the same sex had the characteristics

The right-wing conservatives think its a decision

And you can be cured with some treatment and religion

Man-made, rewiring of a pre-disposition. Playing God

Ahh nah, here we go

America the brave

Still fears what we don't know And God loves all his children it's somehow forgotten

But we paraphrase a book written thirty-five hundred years ago

I don't know

 

And I can't change

Even if I tried

Even if I wanted to

And I can't change

Even if I tried

Even if I wanted to

My love, my love, my love

She keeps me warm

She keeps me warm

She keeps me warm

She keeps me warm

 

If I was gay I would think hip-hop hates me

Have you read the Youtube comments lately?

"Man, that's gay" gets dropped on a daily

We've become so numb to what we're sayin'

Our culture founded from oppression

Yeah, we don't have acceptance for 'em

Call each other faggots behind the keys of a message board

A word rooted in hate, yet our genre still ignores it

'Gay' is synonymous with 'the lesser'

It's the same hate that's caused wars from religion

Gender to skin color the complexion of your pigment

The same fight that led people to walk-outs and sit-ins,

It's human rights for everybody

There is no difference

Live on! And be yourself!

When I was in church, they taught me something else

If you preach hate at the service, those words aren't anointed

And that Holy Water that you soak in is then poisoned

When everyone else is more comfortable remaining voiceless

Rather than fighting for humans that have had their rights stolen

I might not be the same, but that's not important

No freedom 'til we're equal

Damn right I support it

 

I don't know

 

And I can't change

Even if I tried

Even if I wanted to

My love, my love, my love

She keeps me warm

She keeps me warm

She keeps me warm

She keeps me warm

 

We press play Don't press pause

Progress, march on!

With a veil over our eyes

We turn our back on the cause

'Till the day That my uncles can be united by law

Their kids are walkin' around the hallway

Plagued by pain in their heart

A world so hateful, some would rather die than be who they are

And a certificate on paper

Isn't gonna solve it all, but it's a damn good place to start

No law's gonna change us

We have to change us. Whatever God you believe in

We come from the same one

Strip away the fear

Underneath it's all the same love

About time that we raised up

 

And I can't change

Even if I tried

Even if I wanted to

And I can't change

Even if I tried

Even if I wanted to

My love, my love, my love

She keeps me warm

She keeps me warm

She keeps me warm

She keeps me warm

 

Love is patient, love is kind

Love is patient

Love is kind (Not crying on Sundays)

Love is patient,(Not crying on Sundays) love is kind (I'm not crying on Sundays)

Love is patient,(Not crying on Sundays) love is kind(I'm not crying on Sundays)

Love is patient,(Not crying on Sundays) love is kind(I'm not crying on Sundays)

Love is patient, love is kind

He doesn't respect others viewpoint. He doesn't understand why people feel a certain way towards this issue. I'm a straight male and support homosexual rights. But I can understand where those who are against it are comming from. He puts down conservatives, I'm conservative albeit fairly moderate, but he pretty much says they hate gays. I appreciate how he is trying to raise awareness but the in your face way about it really turns me off.

I read an article on it I'll have to find it. Could it be fabricated, sure. I may just have my blinders on because I think he is a bad hip hop artist and I just want a reason to dislike him.

I think hip hop is bad period, but with that said at least I could actually understand what he was rapping, so he has that going for him. He actually spoke english.

He doesn't respect others viewpoint. He doesn't understand why people feel a certain way towards this issue. I'm a straight male and support homosexual rights. But I can understand where those who are against it are comming from. He puts down conservatives, I'm conservative albeit fairly moderate, but he pretty much says they hate gays. I appreciate how he is trying to raise awareness but the in your face way about it really turns me off.

 

From your perspective, and I'm sorry you hear it that way.

 

Man, did you even read his lyrics??? They're pretty darn poignant. If you can't see that, there's no way for me to change that. It's not my place to I suppose.

 

With him having a gay uncle he's apparently understanding to some things in a more first row way than perhaps some others may be.

 

As a straight guy, he's witnessed the oppression from his uncle's side of the coin. He obviously loves and cares about his uncle and grew up wondering why he and his partner couldn't be accepted just like anyone else.

 

I can't blame him for his perspective, and I give him a pat on the back for having the thoughtful sight to think it through and understand it.

 

Anyone turned off by the Mac, is probably not too keen on facing the hardcore truth from the perspective of the oppressed that have dealt with being held back for far too many years.

 

Perhaps he struck a nerve with you because you lean a little conservative, but honestly you're going to deny what a stranglehold of unaccepting attitude the conservative right has had toward gays? Really? Not sure he's too off base there bro.

 

He's not presenting his words as fighting words, but more or less disappointed in humanity for being hypocritical, backward and unloving, with the hopes that one day we can all come around.

 

So did you think that MLK was "In your face"???

 

With his original video for the song he placed in visuals that could help some understand the human element of people, and that in many ways people of all walks of life have feelings, and that many are just as down to earth with their love for each other as anyone else. A nice different perspective for a change than just looking at us all as despicable freaks of society.

 

B-Ball-fan, I was with until this..."Anyone turned off by the Mac, is probably not too keen on facing the hardcore truth from the perspective of the oppressed that have dealt with being held back for far too many years. "

Couldn't it just be several people, myself included, are turned off by him because he makes crappy music?

B-Ball-fan, I was with until this..."Anyone turned off by the Mac, is probably not too keen on facing the hardcore truth from the perspective of the oppressed that have dealt with being held back for far too many years. "

Couldn't it just be several people, myself included, are turned off by him because he makes crappy music?

 

Sure I suppose, but I'm commenting more on the content of his lyrics.

 

He's coming from a peaceful compassionate perspective, and that's found to be by some "In your face", and "unaccepting of various viewpoints"?

 

That I don't get. If he was anger filled and screaming that others must feel his way or else, but he's laying it out there in a very passive emotional way. How honestly can anyone object?

 

If you want to know the truth, from my perspective, his song and video almost always chokes me up, so it's bewildering how something poignant and passive to me is offensive to others.

 

Honestly, there's way more things in life to be offended by than this. This really doesn't come near leading the list of offensive things, but here it is magnified. That's not even logical unless we somehow live in a world where barbaric is the norm, and passive is objectionable.

 

On second thought, lots of time we do. Murder action flicks where shoot 'em up scenes that lasts a very long time win bigger box office bucks than does typically an independent style poignant meaningful flick.

 

So who actually is my audience here?

 

If the mob rules, there's not a lot I can do about that...

 

... but honestly I lost you with..."Anyone turned off by the Mac, is probably not too keen on facing the hardcore truth from the perspective of the oppressed that have dealt with being held back for far too many years??? "

 

Honestly???

Sure I suppose, but I'm commenting more on the content of his lyrics.

 

He's coming from a peaceful compassionate perspective, and that's found to be by some "In your face", and "unaccepting of various viewpoints"?

 

That I don't get. If he was anger filled and screaming that others must feel his way or else, but he's laying it out there in a very passive emotional way. How honestly can anyone object?

 

If you want to know the truth, from my perspective, his song and video almost always chokes me up, so it's bewildering how something poignant and passive to me is offensive to others.

 

Honestly, there's way more things in life to be offended by than this. This really doesn't come near leading the list of offensive things, but here it is magnified. That's not even logical unless we somehow live in a world where barbaric is the norm, and passive is objectionable.

 

On second thought, lots of time we do. Murder action flicks where shoot 'em up scenes that lasts a very long time win bigger box office bucks than does typically an independent style poignant meaningful flick.

 

So who actually is my audience here?

 

If the mob rules, there's not a lot I can do about that...

 

... but honestly I lost you with..."Anyone turned off by the Mac, is probably not too keen on facing the hardcore truth from the perspective of the oppressed that have dealt with being held back for far too many years??? "

 

Honestly???

 

I just think he is horrible. His message has nothing to do with it. His rhyme scheme and delivery are bad. I love hip hop and like most hip hop fans I can't believe he won awards. I think he was made famous because of what he supports and not actual talent.

I just think he is horrible. His message has nothing to do with it. His rhyme scheme and delivery are bad. I love hip hop and like most hip hop fans I can't believe he won awards. I think he was made famous because of what he supports and not actual talent.

 

That's cool mate. Everyone has their taste in music. I dig some hip hop, and some I don't. I do tend to dig hip hop that's more original than the generic stuff that saturates the market.

 

I personally only know two tunes by Macklemore, so I wouldn't be a good judge of his whole body of work until I give the rest of his stuff a spin.

 

I was introduced to him by Rolling Stone magazine that plugged "Thrift Shop" long before he made their cover, which I found a bit humorous considering I've known many thrift shop shoppers along the way, including myself.

 

Then by happenstance I stumbled upon "Same Love" on Youtube without even hearing any outside hype about it, and it pretty much touched me and blew me away. At the time he wasn't even popular so I wondered if either song would get any notice. I was pretty happy to find out that they did.

 

I thought that his lyrics were poignant and powerful, and in many ways hit the freakin' nail on the head. He said a lot of things that have been silenced far too long and I was like "You go boy... tell it!" and "Thank you for real dude!".

 

I can certainly see why he'd not necessarily be everyone's cup of tea, but I also can certainly see how the major importance of his content won him some awards because ultimately through his song "Same Love" he's helped in many ways change the world for the better, and I'm not sure that you can say that about too many hip hop artists. For example Kanye West who is just an arrogant freak far too full of himself. He does nothing for the world but embarrass us for actually being a member of the human race, or perhaps Kendrick Lamar.

 

No Bro... the Grammy goes to Macklemore... he's offered way more for the world than anyone nominated.

 

I'll guess that you might not dig his content which effects your take on him.

 

It's nice for a change that the winner in the hip hop category isn't a misogynous arrogant fool pandering all the stuff that Lordes so poignantly pointed out in her tune "Royals".

Edited February 4, 201412 yr by PurplePride92

For the record I dislike Kanye to.

He doesn't respect others viewpoint. He doesn't understand why people feel a certain way towards this issue. I'm a straight male and support homosexual rights. But I can understand where those who are against it are comming from. He puts down conservatives, I'm conservative albeit fairly moderate, but he pretty much says they hate gays. I appreciate how he is trying to raise awareness but the in your face way about it really turns me off.

 

Is he really trying to raise awareness or get paid? He found something that works and has definitely gotten rich off it. I'm skeptical of everyone and maybe that's sad for me. But I wouldn't be shocked if we found out he didn't even have a gay uncle.

 

Either way, its a good song and one I found as well before it became big.

I love the song and what it says.

Awesome video, thanks for posting.

I love the song and what it says.

 

Thank you Bench. There's hope at last. :thumb: