Tackett needs a public relations specialist in a very bad way!!!!! :lol2::lol2:

I think the issue has nothing really to do with sportsmanship as its presented. The handshake line at the end of game means nothing really. How you play between the lines and between the whistles is the true sportsmanship of the game. The intent of this is strictly liability and really nothing more. The best practice to relieve as much of that liability as possible is to remove the format that could possible lead to an issue. In other words, if there is not any post game activities, this severely limits the possibility of any bad things happening. Yes its a protect your backside statement, nothing more, but a good one.

That's what I thought, this is why you don't understand why other people are saying "this" action doesn't address the problem.

How are they ignoring the issue? They are getting right out in front of it, stopping it before it starts.

And throwing sportsman ship right out with the bath water. Why not make severe penalty the result if an incident occurs? Not like there aren't 4000 cameras rolling at all times.

And throwing sportsman ship right out with the bath water. Why not make severe penalty the result if an incident occurs? Not like there aren't 4000 cameras rolling at all times.

 

Look I get it, I get what everyone is saying, I really do. I guess my question to all of you is this, have you ever been in an incident. One that got out of hand quickly? I have once as a player back in the day, 1 as a coach, and one as an State association rep. I think you opinion changes when things get out of control one time.

Look I get it, I get what everyone is saying, I really do. I guess my question to all of you is this, have you ever been in an incident. One that got out of hand quickly? I have once as a player back in the day, 1 as a coach, and one as an State association rep. I think you opinion changes when things get out of control one time.

Like I said previously, I have been involved in hundreds of contests as a player, and been a spectator and/or coach in hundreds more contests. I have never seen an incident during the handshake.

 

The issue is preparing student athletes for times of adversity and teaching them to react properly. By eliminating one part of the game that allows them to overcome adversity and gives them the opportunity to respond to adversity properly does not solve the problem, it only eliminates a teaching moment. What if an incident does occur? Is that bad? Of course it is, but it is one more teaching moment for all the players on both teams, not just the one or two that are involved in a scuffle.

 

Mothers (and fathers) do this, they try to protect their children from bad things by not letting them have an opportunity for something bad to happen. That does not prepare student athletes for life, it cripples them because they have not been exposed to the opportunity to overcome such situations. How many players have wanted to punch an opposing player during the handshake, but overcome that wrong act and grew because of it? I venture to say that number is much higher then 12, the number of real incidents.

What was "The Band Played On" game? I know in 87 there was a fight in the playoffs between Shelby Co and I believe Holy Cross after the game.

 

I'm fine with the no handshake thing. If you work in education you know how much things have changed with kids, parents and schools.

 

A friend of mine who teaches told me that the kids at our local high school are much better behaved than when we were in school there. I will have to say that it really surprised me.

I never agree with the KHSAA, but I do here.

 

I have never understood the post-game handshake "lineup." There is no sportsmanship involved in a contrived, autonomic slapping of hands in a line with the ubiquitous "good game" to go with it. It really is only a phenomenon of the past 35 years or so. They don't do it in college. They don't do it in the pros. They do it in tee-ball, but high school players are not tee-ballers.

 

Real sportsmanship is demonstrated on the field, during battle. We nominate our captains to go out and shake hands pre-game, and that should be enough. I am much more impressed with the individual sportsmanship of a player being impelled by respect to seek out an individual against whom he has done battle during a contest for congratulatory words, then I am by a robotic display of meaningless ritual. That's the way they do it in college and the pros, and otherwise, they jog off the field or court.

 

What the post-game handshake "lineup" does is provide a convenient forum for hot-head players and coaches to strike. The officials are gone, the cameras are turned off, several hundred people have usually made their way onto the field, and it is a perfect opportunity for a strike because there is no authority. Even police would have difficulty patrolling the typical scene.

 

I personally was involved in this in 1987, when my East Bay team in California defeated an undefeated Oakland team with 3 future NFL players. Post-game handshake provided an opportunity for one of the Oakland players to rush into the fray, pull a knife from his armpad, and start slashing. Full-on brawl ensued, helmets ripped off and thrown into the stands, several injuries. Despite the protestations on here, these things are far more common than you think.

 

Two years ago, my little league all-star team defeated the district favorite, and the post-game "lineup" resulted in an umpire being punched and the opposing team booing my kids (9 years old) as they paraded through the meaningless handshake.

 

Three years ago, my flag football team (6 year-olds) bore witness to an out-and-out brawl between parents arguing during the postgame "lineup" about whether a player's flag was tied on. One injury, one arrest, several crying 6 year-olds.

 

The problem, friends, is US. Pressure in youth sports has been escalated to epic levels. We spend $200 on a tee-ball bat, register kids for recruiting organizations in the 5th grade, spend untold thousands of dollars and enormous leisure time forming "travel" teams and leagues designed for the purported purpose of "exposure" and adult dreams of child scholarships, when the odds against it are astronomical. The pressure to perform is tremendous, and every dropped pass, strikeout, and stolen dribble has turned our children, and their parents, into monsters.

 

The post-game lineup merely provides a forum when emotions are most high, for those monsters to act. Its potential for harm far outweighs any alleged instrinsic "sportsmanship."

 

I think we need to remove the plank from our own eye before we castigate the KHSAA for the speck in theirs.

 

Just my .02.

I never agree with the KHSAA, but I do here.

 

I have never understood the post-game handshake "lineup." There is no sportsmanship involved in a contrived, autonomic slapping of hands in a line with the ubiquitous "good game" to go with it. It really is only a phenomenon of the past 35 years or so. They don't do it in college. They don't do it in the pros. They do it in tee-ball, but high school players are not tee-ballers.

 

Real sportsmanship is demonstrated on the field, during battle. We nominate our captains to go out and shake hands pre-game, and that should be enough. I am much more impressed with the individual sportsmanship of a player being impelled by respect to seek out an individual against whom he has done battle during a contest for congratulatory words, then I am by a robotic display of meaningless ritual. That's the way they do it in college and the pros, and otherwise, they jog off the field or court.

 

What the post-game handshake "lineup" does is provide a convenient forum for hot-head players and coaches to strike. The officials are gone, the cameras are turned off, several hundred people have usually made their way onto the field, and it is a perfect opportunity for a strike because there is no authority. Even police would have difficulty patrolling the typical scene.

 

I personally was involved in this in 1987, when my East Bay team in California defeated an undefeated Oakland team with 3 future NFL players. Post-game handshake provided an opportunity for one of the Oakland players to rush into the fray, pull a knife from his armpad, and start slashing. Full-on brawl ensued, helmets ripped off and thrown into the stands, several injuries. Despite the protestations on here, these things are far more common than you think.

 

Two years ago, my little league all-star team defeated the district favorite, and the post-game "lineup" resulted in an umpire being punched and the opposing team booing my kids (9 years old) as they paraded through the meaningless handshake.

 

Three years ago, my flag football team (6 year-olds) bore witness to an out-and-out brawl between parents arguing during the postgame "lineup" about whether a player's flag was tied on. One injury, one arrest, several crying 6 year-olds.

 

The problem, friends, is US. Pressure in youth sports has been escalated to epic levels. We spend $200 on a tee-ball bat, register kids for recruiting organizations in the 5th grade, spend untold thousands of dollars and enormous leisure time forming "travel" teams and leagues designed for the purported purpose of "exposure" and adult dreams of child scholarships, when the odds against it are astronomical. The pressure to perform is tremendous, and every dropped pass, strikeout, and stolen dribble has turned our children, and their parents, into monsters.

 

The post-game lineup merely provides a forum when emotions are most high, for those monsters to act. Its potential for harm far outweighs any alleged instrinsic "sportsmanship."

 

I think we need to remove the plank from our own eye before we castigate the KHSAA for the speck in theirs.

 

Just my .02.

 

Where are you playing these games.......LaGrange, Eddyville? :eek:

Where are you playing these games.......LaGrange, Eddyville? :eek:

 

One of these games was, in fact, against a team from LaGrange.

One of these games was, in fact, against a team from LaGrange.

 

:laugh:

One of these games was, in fact, against a team from LaGrange.

That's just funny.

 

To respond you your longer explanation of your stance on the matter at hand. I always find you to be a well spoken, knowledgeable member, and one that I almost always agree with. While I appreciate your thoughts and agree with some, in part, or as a whole as to your personal experiences, I have to ask for your your statistical opinion. I agree that you have obviously had several personal experiences to cause your opinions on the matter, but I think you have to agree in the larger picture, these type of incidents are not common. In fact, I think you would agree they are the exception more then the norm.

I never agree with the KHSAA, but I do here.

 

I have never understood the post-game handshake "lineup." There is no sportsmanship involved in a contrived, autonomic slapping of hands in a line with the ubiquitous "good game" to go with it. It really is only a phenomenon of the past 35 years or so. They don't do it in college. They don't do it in the pros. They do it in tee-ball, but high school players are not tee-ballers.

 

Real sportsmanship is demonstrated on the field, during battle. We nominate our captains to go out and shake hands pre-game, and that should be enough. I am much more impressed with the individual sportsmanship of a player being impelled by respect to seek out an individual against whom he has done battle during a contest for congratulatory words, then I am by a robotic display of meaningless ritual. That's the way they do it in college and the pros, and otherwise, they jog off the field or court.

 

What the post-game handshake "lineup" does is provide a convenient forum for hot-head players and coaches to strike. The officials are gone, the cameras are turned off, several hundred people have usually made their way onto the field, and it is a perfect opportunity for a strike because there is no authority. Even police would have difficulty patrolling the typical scene.

 

I personally was involved in this in 1987, when my East Bay team in California defeated an undefeated Oakland team with 3 future NFL players. Post-game handshake provided an opportunity for one of the Oakland players to rush into the fray, pull a knife from his armpad, and start slashing. Full-on brawl ensued, helmets ripped off and thrown into the stands, several injuries. Despite the protestations on here, these things are far more common than you think.

 

Two years ago, my little league all-star team defeated the district favorite, and the post-game "lineup" resulted in an umpire being punched and the opposing team booing my kids (9 years old) as they paraded through the meaningless handshake.

 

Three years ago, my flag football team (6 year-olds) bore witness to an out-and-out brawl between parents arguing during the postgame "lineup" about whether a player's flag was tied on. One injury, one arrest, several crying 6 year-olds.

 

The problem, friends, is US. Pressure in youth sports has been escalated to epic levels. We spend $200 on a tee-ball bat, register kids for recruiting organizations in the 5th grade, spend untold thousands of dollars and enormous leisure time forming "travel" teams and leagues designed for the purported purpose of "exposure" and adult dreams of child scholarships, when the odds against it are astronomical. The pressure to perform is tremendous, and every dropped pass, strikeout, and stolen dribble has turned our children, and their parents, into monsters.

 

The post-game lineup merely provides a forum when emotions are most high, for those monsters to act. Its potential for harm far outweighs any alleged instrinsic "sportsmanship."

 

I think we need to remove the plank from our own eye before we castigate the KHSAA for the speck in theirs.

 

Just my .02.

 

Excellent post and I completely agree on all points. Especially where you talk about travel teams.

Numerically, they are the exception rather than the norm, but I do believe that it is more than just isolated incidents.

I'm sorry, but the main issue here is that by his own admission, he by passed the normal process of having things reviewed prior to going out......so in this case, it is all on his shoulders....not KHSAA.......If I put something out with the correct intentions, but skip the nomal compliance procedures AND ALL of my clients READ it incorrectly, it is MY fault for putting out an item that was unclear......NOT their fault for not reading it as I intended.

Look I get it, I get what everyone is saying, I really do. I guess my question to all of you is this, have you ever been in an incident. One that got out of hand quickly? I have once as a player back in the day, 1 as a coach, and one as an State association rep. I think you opinion changes when things get out of control one time.

I have.